Posted on 06/03/2018 1:46:43 PM PDT by Magnatron
An FBI agent got himself into an embarrassing situation on Saturday when his service weapon fell out of its holster while dancing at a Denver club and he accidentally shot a fellow patron while retrieving it.
Denver police responded to Mile High Spirits Distillery and Tasting Bar for an accidental shooting at about 12:45 a.m. on Saturday. According to police, an off-duty FBI agent was dancing at the club when his firearm fell to the ground. He picked the gun up and it went off, shooting another person in the leg.
The victim was taken to a nearby hospital in "good" condition, according to police.
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Qualifying info? I talking about 1911s, and battle rifle coupled with my experience.
Which state do you live in! I want to stay out of that one!
Sir, I received your private email reply. Not sure why it could not be on this thread. I would reply in private but the system I am currently using is not friendly with the private email accounts for simple internet security reasons.
What I gathered from the email was that from your 1911 battle experience, that perhaps friends or comrades ran into problems by exercising the 1911 thumb safety. I want to respect your experiences which I know nothing about. But by qualifying, I presume you carried in a tradition 1911 leather holster with a snap strap in front of the hammer and, using your own practiced trigger finger discipline, you knew how to safely draw while bypassing the safety. (Sorry but I am just guessing, and at the same time trying to follow your line of reasoning).
So with that ‘qualification’ I might be able to understand your post. Having said that, most folks I know carrying 1911’s today, including myself occasionally, are using a hard polymer retention holster. The use of the safety is simply a training and habit issue. While you may never use a safety for the 1911, many who are just learning have neither the background or personal experience you might have. As an instructor myself, it would be highly irresponsible for me to encourage or train anyone to not use available safeties as appropriate.
You sated in an early on post that the 1911 was designed to be carried in condition 1. That is a correct statement, assuming the safety is on. Again, if its battle experience that convinced you to operate otherwise, I am in no position to argue that with you. I just want folks who exercise their 2nd amendment rights to do so responsibly, avoiding accidental discharges and the problems they might create.
Best FRegards,
I don’t live in any state, but with the current climate here I’m thinking hard about running my company in the US.
I won’t argue your logic in regards to teaching new people. I would actually agree with that. As a civilian, a person would hope to never be in a position that they would have to use a firearm in self defense. In my old line of work, it was expected.
If I’m down your way, I’d love to head to the range with you and compare notes. I may be an old dog (42), but I’m not opposed to learning new tricks.
“I may be an old dog (42)-———”
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You think you’re and old dog at 42?
Best laugh I’ve had in a long time.
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In my defense young lady, in the infantry you age like a good coonhound. Every year served is like seven years. So in reality I’m 112.
Respect your elder heh.
“Respect your elder heh.”
Gothcha! :-)
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What kind of gun was it, that, I don’t want to carry?
If your asking what the FBI issues, its usually Glock 22 or 23 in S&W 40, or they may now be issuing Glock 19 in 9mm.
If your asking what kind not to carry, its the breaking dancing kind.
Really? No time lost? When the average gun fight is 2 to 3 seconds, I'll take every fraction I can get. And I can guarantee you that if you have to rack the slide you just lost at least 1 to 2 seconds.
“Really? No time lost? When the average gun fight is 2 to 3 seconds, I’ll take every fraction I can get. And I can guarantee you that if you have to rack the slide you just lost at least 1 to 2 seconds.”
You are planning for Wyatt Earp/Doc Holiday type docudramas about throwdowns on Allen St. Most always the gun is out of the holster in plebnty of time to rack slide/flick off safety if you are anywhere near situationally aware.
Statistics would be against your statement. Most gun fights take place statistically inside of 7 yards. You must have heard of the tueller drill. If not, look it up. Most burglers or attackers aren’t going to approach you with gun drawn. It all happens in close and if you have to rack your slide with the bad guy that close, you probably just got stabbed or the bad guy wrestled the gun from you while you were busy racking.
The Wyatt Earp accusation just tells me you really haven’t trained for this.
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