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Beware the 'School Is More Dangerous Than the Military' Talking Points
newsbusters.org ^ | 5/24/2018 | Tim Graham

Posted on 05/24/2018 7:07:19 AM PDT by rktman

Snopes.com explored the popular liberal talking point that (to quote the front of the New York Daily News) “more students or teachers killed by guns in U.S. schools than active-duty military deaths in 2018.” That statistic is true if you only count deaths in combat, and false if you include accidental deaths.

Whoopi Goldberg threw out the point on The View on Monday: "After Friday's high school shooting in Texas, more American students have died from gun violence in 2018 than U.S. soldiers in combat."

Snopes relied in part on a Philip Bump piece at The Washington Post (independent of the "Fact Checker" team) with the headline "2018 has been deadlier for schoolchildren than deployed service members." It had to be corrected. Bump originally reported there were 27 student deaths in school shootings and only 13 casualties reported by the Department of Defense. But then Bump relayed:

Comparing all fatalities in school shootings with all military deaths, the latter is higher, contrary to the original headline of this article. In both cases, those totals have been boosted by mass casualty events. In the case of the military, 20 of the fatalities occurred in just three aircraft crashes. In the case of schoolchildren, most of the deaths were in Santa Fe, Tex., last week and the mass shooting in Parkland, Fla. in February.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; factcheckers; lyingliars; publicschools; truthstretcher
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Snopes? Meh. Not trustworthy but I do notice at the top of the piece, the "News Analysis Division"(?)gave 2 checks for the fact checker rating. I don't know if that's 2 out of 2 or 2 out of 4/5/10. Anyway, fake news is still running rampant out there so double check the facts folks.
1 posted on 05/24/2018 7:07:20 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

NON print:

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2018/05/24/beware-school-more-dangerous-military-talking-points


2 posted on 05/24/2018 7:08:59 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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The lying media is running full steam. Schools are still some of the safest places in society, despite the very RARE instances of shooters like this.
3 posted on 05/24/2018 7:09:37 AM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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“more students or teachers killed by guns in U.S. schools than active-duty military deaths in 2018.”

How about “killed by nut job drug addled students”? I don’t think the guns have yet become autonomous.


4 posted on 05/24/2018 7:10:59 AM PDT by bk1000 (I stand with Trump)
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We should close all government schools and encourage people to homeschool if possible, but institute School Choice for people who wish to make use of private schools.

Do it for the children!


5 posted on 05/24/2018 7:12:38 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: fwdude

” Schools are still some of the safest places in society....”
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Not safe fer yer mind, however....!+
@PlanetWTF???
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6 posted on 05/24/2018 7:12:49 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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If true this is a good thing.....we must be living in a time of peace.


7 posted on 05/24/2018 7:14:11 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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Rittalin-addled snowflakes are more dangerous than terrorists to American children.


8 posted on 05/24/2018 7:16:26 AM PDT by Defiant (I may be deplorable, but I'm not getting in that basket.)
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I meant physically safe. You have a good point on the mental peril, though.


9 posted on 05/24/2018 7:19:00 AM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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Snopes: where fact finding is a slogan they never really check out

Ok, boys, a crude metric is worth what, now?

Clearly they are not considering the number of people “in harms way” out of which those deaths occur.

How many soldiers killed out of how many in combat vs how many students and teachers killed out of all those in schools?

note: I’m not saying that for the comparison to make sense they need to consider a school in harm’s way now, only that for one to be considered more dangerous than the other it must be based on actuarial analysis rather than an apples to oranges comparison.


10 posted on 05/24/2018 7:20:34 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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Those being set up to be slaves are often physically safe.


11 posted on 05/24/2018 7:21:36 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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There are 38x more kids enrolled in public schools than there are active military. It’s a dumb argument regardless.


12 posted on 05/24/2018 7:27:24 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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You might answer, yes. Because the military is armed and able to defend themselves, unlike people on a school campus. Guns save lives.


13 posted on 05/24/2018 7:28:39 AM PDT by rey
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It could be true...I mean, after all, the military has guns, and they can SHOOT BACK at the bad guys.

Schools can’t, therefore they could possibly be construed as “more dangerous”.

Just sayin’


14 posted on 05/24/2018 7:32:13 AM PDT by FrankR (If it wasn't for stupid ideas, the left would have no ideas at all.)
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Shhhh. We don't need no steenkin' facts to camouflage the troof. ⚖👍🏼
15 posted on 05/24/2018 7:34:28 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Military = conservative

Public schools = liberal


16 posted on 05/24/2018 7:45:40 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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“more students or teachers killed by guns in U.S. schools than active-duty military deaths in 2018.”

That’s because the military gets to shoot back!!!


17 posted on 05/24/2018 7:46:38 AM PDT by catman67 (14 gauge?)
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Figures lie and liars figure. There are a lot more scool students than military. More people are killed in cars, bathtubs, swimming pools...


18 posted on 05/24/2018 7:48:50 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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“Thats because our soldiers out there have lots and lots of GUNS.. how about we try that in school? Good guys with guns....”


19 posted on 05/24/2018 7:49:06 AM PDT by Paradox (Don't call them mainstream, there is nothing mainstream about the MSM.)
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To: bgill

Military=conservative? Not necessarily any more. We are aware of a lot of former military who are uber liberals.


20 posted on 05/24/2018 7:49:24 AM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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