Posted on 05/17/2018 8:12:52 AM PDT by conservative98
I hear what you are saying, but...
If Rudy took the approach you suggest, he would get the same criticism that Sessions gets here. It would appear as if he was content to sit back and watch events take place.
Session has taken a lot of heat on this board for “not acting” (and the jury is still out on him in my opinion because he is likely doing the Perry Mason thing). But if you look at the list of accomplishments (see http://www.magapill.com/ under the DOJ section), there actually has been significant work presented. Just nothing publicized in the area of arresting political criminals, where most of the focus of this forum is.
I think that Trump has to let the justice process play out, without interference to avoid any appearance of impropriety, but he also needs to fight the battle of public opinion. I think Rudy is playing that part with his arguments.
I don’t have any real inside knowledge, and I am no lawyer and wouldn’t want to be one, but that’s my take.
Thanks conservative98.
I’m with you
Screw all these scared folks of Rudy
Mueller’s not as clean as people thought ... too many dark connections.
“If Rudy took the approach you suggest, he would get the same criticism that Sessions gets here. It would appear as if he was content to sit back and watch events take place.”
Neither Rudy nor Sessions should be trying to “placate this board”. There is a difference between not doing anything, looking to others like you’re not doing anything (whether or not you are) and just looking like you are doing something. Rudy is attempting to “look like he’s doing something”, but I do not believe that what he looks like he’s doing - publicly bragging to the other team, is materially doing something, or just bragging to be heard.
Sessions on the matter of doing something, or not doing something is whole ‘nother topic. We all are debating that. We all think he should be “taking” more bodies, yet at the same time we do not have all the body of knowledge of everything that he has, and like it or not I think one thing Sessions is trying to at least make the appearance (unlike Holder) is he is working “for the law” more so than for Trump alone. I may disagree with him at points on that, but I think it is part of his motivation. He always seemed like a really straight shooter on the law.
Agree with your Sessions comments.
Not violently disagreeing with you on Rudy, but (again not speaking with any authority on legal knowledge) I think as part of Trumps legal team, he does not have the same obligations as Sessions might. It would seem to me he is there to serve Trumps best interest, not the law (so long as no laws are broken in the process). I certainly hope that the tactics he chooses are successful, time will tell. I for one, like many others like to see the team aggressively fighting back, as it takes a good smack down to put the deep state/libs in their place.
I guess what I am saying is that what I think Trump needs in the role to which he is using Rudy is that he needs an “alter eqo”, that is someone totally on his side, but with a different, calmer, more “stately” public persona; not someone with a “Trump” style as far as how it meets the public at large and particularly the media. I think such a personality demonstrates an “in charge” type that does not have to sound like they are bragging. Trump needs not another Trump, I believe, and Rudy, to me is acting like one.
...... Not a good time to get cocky kid, best to wait to see what else Mueller et-al have up their sleeves .....
Anyone have the recipe? :-)
Being a legalistic institutionalist - which at the very best is what Sessions is - is not the same thing as following rule of law.
He wanted Rosenstein, replete with multiple conflicts. In what universe is that following rule - letter and spirit - of law?
If he is playing some sort of 3D Chess game, then it is at the expense of the rule of law!
We are past the rule of law. Everything is about political leverage now.
Mueller flouts the law every day - without consequence.
I am not entirely endorsing Giuliani, I am explaining. If we had any Perry Masons anywhere near DC, this would never have started in the first place.
There are no lily-white hats, and I doubt justice will be done.
I know. But “attitudes” help win “hearts and minds”. Trump does well playing to his base. He does not need another Trump, he needs an “alter ego”, a strong but “non” Trump personality, that brings not braggadocio to his defense, but stature. For me, a role of a consigliere type person is smart, strong, wise but publicly reserved. Its a matter to me not of being “right” but presentation. I think it would look well for Trump to have an alter ego that does not act and speak like him.
“He wanted Rosenstein, replete with multiple conflicts. In what universe is that following rule - letter and spirit - of law?.....”If he is playing some sort of 3D Chess game, then it is at the expense of the rule of law!”
Maybe his other special prosecutor is doing the work - the investigation and compiling of evidence - it seems to us all that Sessions is not doing. Maybe they are even using all the leaks coming from the current and former deep state members that are actually pointing the fingers at some that still appear “safe”. I don’t know.
You’ve seen this?
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2018/05/monumental-the-naked-truth-about-robert-mueller/
Interesting... patterns.
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2018/05/monumental-the-naked-truth-about-robert-mueller/
“Mr. Mueller was assistant United States attorney in Boston in charge of the criminal division and for a period was the acting United States attorney here, presiding over Mr. Connolly and Mr. Bulger as a ’top echelon informant.’
Officials of the Massachusetts State Police and the Boston Police Department had long wondered why their investigations of Mr. Bulger were always compromised before they could gather evidence against him, and they suspected that the FBI was protecting him.”
If Mr. Mueller had no knowledge that the FBI agents he used were engaged in criminal activity, then he certainly was so incredibly blind that he should never be allowed back into any type of criminal case supervision. He certainly helped continue contributing to the damages of the framed individuals by working relentlessly to prevent them from being paroled out of prison even as their charges were in the process of being completely thrown out.
Notice also the evidence of a pattern throughout Mueller’s career: the leaking of information to disparage Mueller’s targets. In the Whitey Bulger case, the leaks were to organized crime — the Mafia.
One of the basic, most bedrock tenets of our Republic is that we never imprison people for being “bad” people. Anyone imprisoned has to have committed a specific crime for which they are found guilty. Not in Mueller’s world. He has the anti-Santa Claus list; and, if you are on his list, you get punished even if you are framed.
He never apologizes when the truth is learned, no matter how wrong or potentially criminal or malicious the prosecution was. In his book, you deserve what you get even if you did not commit the crime for which he helped put you away. This is but one example, though — as Al Pacino once famously said — “I’m just getting warmed up!”
Sounds like Mueller and Brennan were joined at the hip.. did Mueller also start the stuff about traditional Americans being ‘terrorists’ too?
from link: http://www.trevorloudon.com/2018/05/monumental-the-naked-truth-about-robert-mueller/
GOHMERT: Point out specifically. Sir, if you’re going to call me a liar, you need to point out specifically where any facts are wrong.
MUELLER: We went to the mosque prior to Boston.
GOHMERT: Prior to Boston?
MUELLER: Prior to Boston happening, we were in that mosque talking to the imam several months beforehand as part of our outreach efforts. “Outreach efforts”? Yes. That is apparently Mueller’s efforts to play figurative pattycake with the leaders and tell them how wonderful they are and how crazy all those Islamaphobes out there are, but they surely got assurance that Mueller’s FBI is after those bigots. Maybe they sat around on the floor and had a really nice meal together. One thing for certain, they weren’t asking about the Tsarnaevs! But the hearing got even worse:
GOHMERT: Were you aware that those mosques were started by Al-Amoudi?
MUELLER. I’ve answered the question, sir.
GOHMERT. You didn’t answer the question. Were you aware that they were started by Al-Amoudi?
MUELLER. No. . .
Then my time for questioning expired, leaving many questions unanswered. Why was the FBI unaware of the origins of the mosque attended by the Boston bombers? This was arguably the most traumatic Islamic terrorist attack in America since 9-11 because the explosions happened on live television at the Boston Marathon. When did the FBI become an outreach-to-terrorism organization to the detriment and disregard of its investigations? Under Director Robert Mueller’s tenure, that’s when!
In Director Mueller’s efforts to appease and please the named co-conspirators of terrorism, he was keenly attuned to their complaints that the FBI training materials on radical Islam said some things about Islamic terrorists that offended some Muslims. Never mind that the main offense was done to the American people by radical Islamists who wanted to kill Americans and destroy our way of life. Mueller wanted to make these co-conspirators feel good toward Mueller and to let them know he was pleased to appease. Director Mueller had all of the training materials regarding radical Islam “purged” of anything that might offend radical Islamic terrorists. So, in addition to using his “Five Year Up-or-Out” policy to force out so many experienced FBI agents who had been properly trained to identify radical Islamic terrorists, now Mueller was going even further. He was ensuring that new FBI agents would not know what to look for when assessing potentially radicalized individuals.
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