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Gina Haspel showed 'failure of leadership,' says lawyer for waterboarded detainee
Washington Examiner ^ | May 7, 2018

Posted on 05/07/2018 8:47:45 AM PDT by deplorableindc

An attorney for the only terrorism suspect known to have been waterboarded during Gina Haspel’s time leading a secret CIA facility in Thailand is blasting her “failure to stand up for what’s right,” just ahead of her confirmation hearing to be CIA director.

Navy Lt. Alaric Piette, a military defense attorney representing Guantanamo Bay inmate Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, emailed the statement to the Washington Examiner ahead of Haspel’s Wednesday confirmation hearing, where she is likely to be grilled on her post-9/11 actions.

"I was an enlisted sailor during 9/11 and I understand the impulses that led people to want to torture," he said. "However, the purpose of leadership is to be able to stand up for what’s right in tough times. Ms. Haspel did not do that. Failure to stand up for what’s right is not toughness. In a time when we needed professionalism and leadership, we got torture instead."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alaricpiette; alnashiri; bleedinghartattack; bleedingheartattack; cia; ginahaspel; piette; waterboarding
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To: Mariner

Your friend sounds like he may have snapped as a result of the experience, and I get what your saying.

But people also snap from being under pressure in many situations that are not torture. Some just don’t handle pressure well, or they have certain events happen that overwhelm them and change them.

Being in the military as you know is not for everybody. People get injured or killed all too often even when things are done correctly, as the nature of the work is often high risk.

Again, I wont say anything bad about someone diagnosed with PTSD, and I am not a doctor, but mental diagnosis are subjective and doctors in that field will often ‘bin’ people into a category, like PTSD, because certain behaviors may fit, but its all still subjective. The same binning that may help one person get the right help they need can also wind up putting another person in the wrong place getting useless treatment. Similarly, the patients themselves can bin themselves into a category for the wrong reasons, either trying to take advantage of the system, or because they have preconceived notions about the treatment they desire.

PTSD, while a real issue for many, is also one of the catch all’s for some trying to take advantage of the system.


41 posted on 05/07/2018 12:57:43 PM PDT by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them)
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To: deplorableindc

What the CIA needs right now is a 110% Rabid American.
Not a ‘conservative’, which would be middle of the road in this comparison. Not a ‘libertarian’, which would be ‘a little to the right’ in comparison.

You need a person (danger—hard language here),
that would have a full woody 24/7/365, full-on Tombstone range-riding cowboy, with no regrets of past deeds, or those soon to be done.

The lady candidate gets my vote. Besides, she has “been in the shadows”, and knows the game better than some cube-occupying DC peckerhead.


42 posted on 05/07/2018 1:07:07 PM PDT by Terry L Smith (.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

My Dentist told me he and his Dental School Classmates watched that Movie. Must have been a right of passage.

I make it a point to never be accused as being an Antidentite.
It could prove to be very painful.


43 posted on 05/07/2018 2:16:25 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative ( THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Unlike any move I have ever watched, this traumatized me forever..........

Sorry, I don't know how to make the images smaller......


44 posted on 05/07/2018 3:03:39 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Mother nature is a serial killer......)
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To: Kickass Conservative

My brother was waterboarded in SERE school. He said it was effective and he squealed and ratted out everyone he knew including our folks, siblings, coworkers, “2nd cousins and the family pets.”
It’s unpleasant as can be, but not deadly or injurious except to his pride. He described it as “amazing” as far as attitude adjustments go because even though he was fully aware he was not in any danger of drowning, his body was convinced it was.

He’s OK with using it under some circumstances against unlawful combatants.

Presumably he means for informational purposes on unlawful combatants only to round up a cell, head off an attack, find a bomb lab, find a hostage, etc.... but not for admissible evidence to obtain confessions of guilt. Confessions of guilt was what McCain’s interrogators were after, communists being VERY obsessed with justifying their actions “by the book” even though their trials are always fully rigged. Their need for “justification” is such that they were more than willing to engage in crippling torture long after- even years after- any intelligence they could obtain was useless and unactionable.


45 posted on 05/08/2018 4:00:24 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Magnum44

It’s very damaging to pride. To a lawyer that qualifies as permanent emotional distress.


46 posted on 05/08/2018 4:06:19 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: deplorableindc

“a military defense attorney representing Guantanamo Bay inmate Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri”

Yeah; we care what he has to say. Is it reverse Stockholm syndrome, where he’s now identifying with the captive?

He says Haspel didn’t do the right thing? He needs to STFU already.


47 posted on 05/08/2018 4:07:36 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Have an A-1 day.)
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To: Mariner

“It meets all the requirements of the USC for torture. To included permanent damage.”

Good.


48 posted on 05/08/2018 4:10:23 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Have an A-1 day.)
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To: piasa

It is a fine line. Torture brings to mind permanent mental and / or physical injury inflicted on the individual.

Calling Waterboarding Torture seems to be a Political calculation, not unlike calling AR-15’s “Assault” Rifles and calling Abortion “choice”.

Control the language and all that Jazz.

Do I remember correctly that Waterboarding was only selectively used on a few individuals?

This all goes back to the Democrats going after another one of POTUS Trump’s Nominees. Just another Brick in the Wall.

Since Democrats love Terrorists, support Late Term Abortions (talk about Torture) and would relish the idea of putting us Deplorable types in Concentration Camps, their air of superiority on this subject is laughable at best.


49 posted on 05/08/2018 8:42:00 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative ( THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

There are even some that suggest denying Halal food to Muslims is “torture.”


50 posted on 05/08/2018 8:42:38 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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