Posted on 04/18/2018 9:06:49 AM PDT by LouieFisk
Three parents whose children were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012 filed a defamation lawsuit on Tuesday against Alex Jones, the right-wing conspiracy theorist who has long claimed the shooting was “completely fake” and a “giant hoax” perpetrated by opponents of the Second Amendment.
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Just comparing the basic facts from Columbine and Sandy Hook...
Columbine: shooting starts at 11:19am, and they commit suicide at 12:08pm. There were two shooters, with a 2 rifles (TEC-9, HiPoint 995), 2 shotguns, 4 knives, and 99 explosives. SWAT enters at 1:09pm. Medical help is allowed to enter at 3:03pm. Results: 15 dead, 24 injured. 188 rounds fired (67 by Klebold, 121 by Harris).
Sandy Hook: First shot (to enter the building) was at 9:35am. Last shot (suicide) was at 9:40am. One shooter. 3 firearms. Police enter at 9:44am. Medical help enters at 9:51am. Results: 27 dead, 2 injured. 157 rounds fired (154 from the Bushmaster XM15 rifle, 2 from the 10mm Glock, and 1 suicide shot from the Sig 9mm)
Immediate questions raised:
1. How does 1 shooter kill 27 in 5 minutes, with a 93% fatality rate... when 2 shooters fire more rounds, over 49 minutes, kill only 15 and only have a 38% fatality rate?
2. How can the vast disparity in mortality rates be explained when medical help was delayed for 2:55 at Columbine, and was delayed for only 6 minutes at Sandy Hook? Medics were treating victims within 16 minutes of the first shot being fired... and yet couldn't save more than 7% of the victims? And the Columbine medics were delayed for 3 hours, and they were able to save 62%???
3. How does 1 shooter, who starts firing outside the building (to gain entry), get off 157 rounds so accurately so quickly (averaging one shot every 2 seconds)... when the more deliberate pair at Columbine is far less deadly, with ten times as much time to operate (averaging one shot every 16 seconds, plus talking to intended victims)?
These disparities alone are enough to make one wonder. These are the facts directly from the police reports, and the differences are stark.
Also true.
I think Jones was referring to the government and the MSM’s approach to the event as the biggest liars! The info was scripted and truth was squelched yet within 3 days there was this big push From Obama, the Dems, and various states to take away our gun rights. You forget that NY State used this incident to push for some fairly draconian gun restrictions. That is what stinks about this incident and why some see the incident as a false flag event. If it ever is discovered to have been a false flag event then shame on the Deep State that perpetrated it...even if they didn’t, the Deep state and their MSM cronies took maximum advantage to the detriment of our rights.
Americans are a deep feeling people but not always a deep thinking people and we tend to wear our hearts on our sleeves. The Social Paths in their little out of the way governing alcoves know this about us and think most of America are nothing but their play thing suckers!
If there had been more transparency on the part of the FBI and the governing officials regarding the news and events then folks like Jones would be marginalized. The pattern of news and official announcements and how the shootings were handled resembles that of the recent Las Vegas shootings, with that creepy FBI guy intently staring at the visibly uncomfortable sheriff as he gave out tightly scripted info.
No sir...no sale on the “poor miserable” parents. I saw the videos of Sandy Hook parents laughing and joking when their kids were supposed to be dead or injured. It was a real WTF moment for me!
You do realize that people who truly believe the Apollo Moon landings were faked and the ones who believe the Earth is flat can also lay out their own rationale and reasoning for their beliefs? You’ll find the same thing at play with Scientologists and other cult groups.
The problem is when a person has already decided something “is so” they will tend to look only for facts/beliefs that fit the pre-decided end-concept rather than rejecting the concept itself.
For those who claim the Sandy Hook kids were killed, there is no kind, tactful way of expressing it. Half a bubble off plumb is the best I can do.
Correction: For those who claim the Sandy Hook kids were NOT killed,
Hard to believe sane rational intellect Freepers actual believe Sandy Hook was a false flag operation.
“Hard to believe sane rational intellect Freepers actual believe Sandy Hook was a false flag operation.”
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The belief is sad, but not harmful in and of itself. When you have a megaphone and are given to broadcasting everything you think of, it can have repercussions in the real world.
e.g. real world repercussions:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/fl-reg-sandy-hook-harassment-sentenced-20170328-story.html
also re:real world repercussions -
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/two-people-have-been-arrested-for-harassing
Did you mean “not killed”?
I never said that....the problem is I’m not sure what totally to believe. The parents might just have to include the whole press and Obama’s government for doing such a political hack job with the sharing of the info that it left open a lot of questions that the Jone’s types could take advantage with.
Some freepers on this thread have shared some interesting info on the ability of a crazy schizzy having the wherewithal to shoot as many as he did in the time that he had with the accuracy that he did.
Comey and Mueller FBI creeps were also in the mix at the time and we know what they are trying to do with Trump!
I corrected the typo in the following post.
As to the rest, my position is very simple. Alex Jones says the kids weren’t murdered. That is a level of psychotic derangement to which no sane person could descend. It’s batguano crazy.
Hard to believe otherwise sane and rational people believe that Trump colluded with Russia.
DON”T YOU GET IT!!!?
And whose fault was it really that such persons can get a listen? The facts have never been laid out and we know that Obama’s FBI is as corrupt as hell!
Seth Ritch’s family has threatened to sue Fox news and Hannity if he doesn’t let go of the Seth Ritch story. I think the Sandy Hook folks are attempting the same ploy.
Discovery should be interesting...we’ll see what starts crawling out of the wood work from Comey and Mueller’s end when the subpoenas start flying!
You really didn’t answer 317’s posting of available facts that cause the incident to be questionable concerning its origins. You just decided that you know what the facts were according to your pre-decided view! I too would like to know about his ability to get off so many shots and kill so many kids with a 93 per cent accuracy rate?
What does the moon landing have to do with dead children in Sandy Hook? Lanza might have been involved in some way but I think he might have had “some help”!
You are a great obfuscator, agent Fisk!
No matter what else you think of Sandy Hook, the idea that the children weren’t killed is deranged. ‘Deranged,’ being much to mild a description in this case.
Anyone with the last name Kennedy can sue the crap out of the entire entertainment industry for the past 60 years.
I’m in complete agreement with you.
Such things will need to be revealed in a court of law to establish that Alex Jones defamed these people.
Until that happens, it’s all speculation.
Jones walked it back over 4 years ago. So you have to ask yourself why are they bringing this lawsuit now?
Plus there is no actual video of Jones ever saying no one died at Sandy Hook. The NY Times just say it with absolute no proof. The lawsuit is meant to demonize Him. I hope Jones counter sues the NY Times for frivolous lawsuit and defamation of character. .
The fact that you are believing the New York Times is simply astounding. They lie, lie, lie about everything except sport scores and next day weather. Quit falling for the malarchy hook, line and sinker.
Finally an opinion on what happened is just simply that an opinion. Why is the NY Times freaking out? Perhaps it’s because no one believes their Bull$hit anymore?
It’s all subjective weather you agree with it or not. Alex like everyone else is allowed to have his own opinion even if you disagree with it.
The fact they are filling a lawsuit tells me they are desperate. The public markets determine what is valid and what is not. Censorship is what you get in communist countries.
An opinion of what happened at Sandy Hook is NOT defamation.
Nice try....
It’s an opinion.
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