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Has the California backlash against liberal craziness finally begun?
Fox News ^ | 4/8/18 | Peggy Grande

Posted on 04/08/2018 8:42:56 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

In a state consumed by conservation and environmental issues, one highly endangered species has long gone unnoticed and unprotected – the California Conservative. Is it still possible to rescue them from the brink of extinction? Can their numbers be revived? And can they thrive here once again? While the nation continues to view California as a homogeneous voting block of individuals in lock step with an increasingly progressive liberal agenda, for Common Sense Californians up and down the left coast state, there’s a sense that a different tide is rising. The ripple began in Los Alamitos where the city council voted to opt out of California’s sanctuary law. And it was followed by Orange County who voted to join the U.S. Department of Justice in challenging the state’s sanctuary city laws. This decision was echoed by the city of Escondido and later this month San Diego County will also vote to join their ranks in this federal lawsuit. Other municipalities are lining up to consider doing the same. California has always been the tip of the spear. Often the genesis of art, influence, ideas, style and entertainment, we also take the lead in ways that are less admirable with high state tax, high gas tax, high costs of living and housing, an out of control homeless problem in our urban areas, declining test scores in schools, increasingly inaccessible and cost-prohibitive health care, and many of our major cities often appear on lists of the least-livable cities in the U.S. A supermajority of Democrats at the state level has presided over a tragic decline in virtually every statistic and has championed expensive and detrimental ideas such as the multi-state tax, a failing high speed rail project and of course the most recent sanctuary state status.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calexit; california; energy; friutsandnuts; hydrocarbons; maga; newcalifornia; oil; opec; sanctuarycities; secession; statesrights; timdraper
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To: SpaceBar
The magnitude of the illegal alien problem in California is beyond the comprehension of someone who doesn't live there.

I recently stayed at a hotel near L.A. The maids could speak no English. Not even a little bit.

81 posted on 04/09/2018 6:01:29 AM PDT by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be destroyed.)
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To: Impala64ssa

What the heck is a multi-state tax?


82 posted on 04/09/2018 6:03:54 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: Impala64ssa

Of course, you all could change the Cali constitution to have the county governments pick the state Senators (equal number from each county) to get around Reynolds v. Sims (1 man - 1 vote). That way, counties can be represented equally in a state Senate that would probably have a more conservative leaning than it does now.


83 posted on 04/09/2018 6:06:53 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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California is doomed. Too many of the middle class and businesses have been driven out and replaced by illegals and parasites.

I’ve been getting offers from headhunters for years to come take jobs at 25% more than I make. Of course due to differences in taxes and cost of living (never mind all the lunatic laws) what they’re really offering me is a 30-40% cut in my standard of living. I just laugh and tell them they will have to DOUBLE their offer for me to even consider it. They inevitably mumble that they can’t. Meanwhile companies in Commiefornia are screaming for educated/skilled workers they cannot get.....because educated people generally aren’t stupid enough to agree to a huge reduction in their standard of living.

Given the pension obligations to their public sector labor unions, given their lavish spending on socialist boondoggles like high speed rail, given their stifling regulations on everything, given the flood of leeches into the state and the exodus of productive people......they are doomed. There’s no turning back now.


84 posted on 04/09/2018 6:19:34 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: KTM rider

By county, California is 2/3 conservative. Liberals only dominate the dense poplulation centers. Couple that with mass voter fraud and gerrymandering and liberals have a stranglehold.


Thinking of Russian and China communist revolutions, they were also both largely rural.

What lessons could be learned from studying those revolutions? If we understand the nature of man, maybe it can’t be stopped but it can be directed.

The only cure for our situation is tough times?


85 posted on 04/09/2018 6:27:57 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Currently the representation for liberal areas is over 200 and the representatives for the conservative areas is...9

As 2/3 of the near highest taxes in the land are currently spent on the illegal immigrants, the Democrats are buying more votes than there are Americans in California every year.

So, no, there will be no conservative up welling until two things happen:

First, Vote verification, second a state wide audit on how the funds are spent on illegal projects.

or of course, America could reconquer California as a new territory.


86 posted on 04/09/2018 6:50:38 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: TonyM

I’m in California. When people ask about politics I tell them I’m just right of Attila the Hun.


87 posted on 04/09/2018 7:12:29 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Angels27

I live in Kern County. What I’ve seen is the the backlash against them due to stupid bills like Prop 47.......which the stupid voters passed. It has come around and bit them with theft and burglaries rising exponentially. That type of crime is everywhere now since the perps know nothing will be done. Once safe neighborhoods are no longer safe.
Add that onto the sanctuary state bs and once slightly liberal people are finally seeing connections.


88 posted on 04/09/2018 7:19:49 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Impala64ssa

If a DJT would get behind California and stay with it ..like GHB failed in the first Iraq war.
I do believe California could flip in a breath taking short time.
Remove the criminal occupiers and arrest anyone giving aid and comfort.


89 posted on 04/09/2018 7:20:21 AM PDT by Leep (Make The Swamp Small Again!)
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To: SpaceBar

Victor Davis Hansen has some cogent thoughts we all should take to heart:

“Life in California
By Victor Davis Hansen

This is an article from Victor Davis Hansen, a Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institute at Stanford University (Highlights added by Mr. Hansen). Worth taking the time to read …

The last three weeks I have traveled about, taking the pulse of the more forgotten areas of central California. I wanted to witness, even if superficially, what is happening to a state that has the highest sales and income taxes, the most lavish entitlements, the near-worst public schools (based on federal test scores), and the largest number of illegal aliens in the nation, along with an over regulated private sector, a stagnant and shrinking manufacturing base, and an elite environmental ethos that restricts commerce and productivity without curbing consumption.

During this unscientific experiment, three times a week I rode a bike on a 20-mile trip over various rural roads in southwestern Fresno County. I also drove my car over to the coast to work, on various routes through towns like San Joaquin , Mendota, and Firebaugh. And near my home I have been driving, shopping, and touring by intent the rather segregated and impoverished areas of Caruthers, Fowler, Laton, Orange Cove, Parlier, and Selma. My own farmhouse is now in an area of abject poverty and almost no ethnic diversity; the closest elementary school (my alma mater, two miles away) is 94 percent Hispanic and 1 percent white, and well below federal testing norms in math and English.

Here are some general observations about what I saw (other than that the rural roads of California are fast turning into rubble, poorly maintained and reverting to what I remember seeing long ago in the rural South). First, remember that these areas are the ground zero, so to speak, of 20 years of illegal immigration. There has been a general depression in farming—to such an extent that the 20- to-100-acre tree and vine farmer, the erstwhile backbone of the old rural California, for all practical purposes has ceased to exist.

On the western side of the Central Valley , the effects of arbitrary cutoffs in federal irrigation water have idled tens of thousands of acres of prime agricultural land, leaving thousands unemployed. Manufacturing plants in the towns in these areas—which used to make harvesters, hydraulic lifts, trailers, food-processing equipment—have largely shut down; their production has been shipped off overseas or south of the border. Agriculture itself—from almonds to raisins—has increasingly become corporatized and mechanized, cutting by half the number of farm workers needed. So unemployment runs somewhere between 15 and 20 percent.

Many of the rural trailer-house compounds I saw appear to the naked eye no different from what I have seen in the Third World. There is a Caribbean look to the junked cars, electric wires crisscrossing between various outbuildings, plastic tarps substituting for replacement shingles, lean-tos cobbled together as auxiliary housing, pit bulls unleashed, and geese, goats, and chickens roaming around the yards. The public hears about all sorts of tough California regulations that stymie business—rigid zoning laws, strict building codes, constant inspections—but apparently none of that applies out here.

It is almost as if the more California regulates, the more it does not regulate. Its public employees prefer to go after misdemeanors in the upscale areas to justify our expensive oversight industry, while ignoring the felonies in the downtrodden areas, which are becoming feral and beyond the ability of any inspector to do anything but feel irrelevant. But in the regulators’ defense, where would one get the money to redo an ad hoc trailer park with a spider web of illegal bare wires?

Many of the rented-out rural shacks and stationary Winnebagos are on former small farms—the vineyards overgrown with weeds, or torn out with the ground lying fallow. I pass on the cultural consequences to communities from the loss of thousands of small farming families. I don’t think I can remember another time when so many acres in the eastern part of the valley have gone out of production, even though farm prices have recently rebounded. Apparently it is simply not worth the gamble of investing $7,000 to $10,000 an acre in a new orchard or vineyard. What an anomaly—with suddenly soaring farm prices, still we have thousands of acres in the world’s richest agricultural belt, with available water on the east side of the valley and plentiful labor, gone idle or in disuse. Is credit frozen? Are there simply no more farmers? Are the schools so bad as to scare away potential agricultural entrepreneurs? Or are we all terrified by the national debt and uncertain future?

California coastal elites may worry about the oxygen content of water available to a three-inch smelt in the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, but they seem to have no interest in the epidemic dumping of trash, furniture, and often toxic substances throughout California ‘s rural hinterland. Yesterday, for example, I rode my bike by a stopped van just as the occupants tossed seven plastic bags of raw refuse onto the side of the road. I rode up near their bumper and said in my broken Spanish not to throw garbage onto the public road. But there were three of them, and one of me. So I was lucky to be sworn at only. I note in passing that I would not drive into Mexico and, as a guest, dare to pull over and throw seven bags of trash into the environment of my host.

In fact, trash piles are commonplace out here—composed of everything from half-empty paint cans and children’s plastic toys to diapers and moldy food. I have never seen a rural sheriff cite a litterer, or witnessed state EPA workers cleaning up these unauthorized wastelands. So I would suggest to Bay Area scientists that the environment is taking a much harder beating down here in central California than it is in the Delta. Perhaps before we cut off more irrigation water to the west side of the valley, we might invest some green dollars into cleaning up the unsightly and sometimes dangerous garbage that now litters the outskirts of our rural communities.

We hear about the tough small-business regulations that have driven residents out of the state, at the rate of 2,000 to 3,000 a week. But from my unscientific observations these past weeks, it seems rather easy to open a small business in California without any oversight at all, or at least what I might call a “counter business.” I counted eleven mobile hot-kitchen trucks that simply park by the side of the road, spread about some plastic chairs, pull down a tarp canopy, and, presto, become mini-restaurants. There are no “facilities” such as toilets or washrooms. But I do frequently see lard trails on the isolated roads I bike on, where trucks apparently have simply opened their draining tanks and sped on, leaving a slick of cooking fats and oils. Crows and ground squirrels love them; they can be seen from a distance mysteriously occupied in the middle of the road.

At crossroads, peddlers in a counter-California economy sell almost anything. Here is what I noticed at an intersection on the west side last week: shovels, rakes, hoes, gas pumps, lawnmowers, edgers, blowers, jackets, gloves, and caps. The merchandise was all new. I doubt whether in high-tax California sales taxes or income taxes were paid on any of these stop-and-go transactions.
[The hi lighted paragraphs are ways in which at least some of the nearly 47% of U.S. non tax payers are able to get by]
In two supermarkets 50 miles apart, I was the only one in line who did not pay with a social-service plastic card (gone are the days when “food stamps” were embarrassing bulky coupons).

But I did not see any relationship between the use of the card and poverty as we once knew it: The electrical appurtenances owned by the user and the car into which the groceries were loaded were indistinguishable from those of the upper middle class.

By that I mean that most consumers drove late-model Camrys, Accords, or Tauruses, had iPhones, Bluetooths, or BlackBerries, and bought everything in the store with public-assistance credit. This seemed a world apart from the trailers I had just ridden by the day before. I don’t editorialize here on the logic or morality of any of this, but I note only that there are vast numbers of people who apparently are not working, are on public food assistance, and enjoy the technological veneer of the middle class. California has a consumer market surely, but often no apparent source of income. Does the $40 million a day supplement to unemployment benefits from Washington explain some of this?

Do diversity concerns, as in lack of diversity, work both ways? Over a hundred-mile stretch, when I stopped in San Joaquin for a bottled water, or drove through Orange Cove, or got gas in Parlier, or went to a corner market in southwestern Selma, my home town, I was the only non-Hispanic—there were no Asians, no blacks, no other whites. We may speak of the richness of “diversity,” but those who cherish that ideal simply have no idea that there are now countless inland communities that have become near-apartheid societies, where Spanish is the first language, the schools are not at all diverse, and the federal and state governments are either the main employers or at least the chief sources of income—whether through emergency rooms, rural health clinics, public schools, or social-service offices. An observer from Mars might conclude that our elites and masses have given up on the ideal of integration and assimilation, perhaps in the wake of the arrival of 11 to 15 million illegal aliens.

Again, I do not editorialize, but I note these vast transformations over the last 20 years that are the paradoxical wages of unchecked illegal immigration from Mexico, a vast expansion of California’s entitlements and taxes, the flight of the upper middle class out of state, the deliberate effort not to tap natural resources, the downsizing in manufacturing and agriculture, and the departure of whites, blacks, and Asians from many of these small towns to more racially diverse and upscale areas of California.

Fresno ‘s California State University campus is embroiled in controversy over the student body president’s announcing that he is an illegal alien, with all the requisite protests in favor of the DREAM Act. I won’t comment on the legislation per se, but again only note the anomaly. I taught at CSUF for 21 years. I think it fair to say that the predominant theme of the Chicano and Latin American Studies program’s sizable curriculum was a fuzzy American culpability. By that I mean that students in those classes heard of the sins of America more often than its attractions. In my home town, Mexican flag decals on car windows are far more common than their American counterparts.

I note this because hundreds of students here illegally are now terrified of being deported to Mexico. I can understand that, given the chaos in Mexico and their own long residency in the United States. But here is what still confuses me: If one were to consider the classes that deal with Mexico at the university, or the visible displays of national chauvinism, then one might conclude that Mexico is a far more attractive and moral place than the United States.

So there is a surreal nature to these protests: something like, “Please do not send me back to the culture I nostalgically praise; please let me stay in the culture that I ignore or deprecate.” I think the DREAM Act protestors might have been far more successful in winning public opinion had they stopped blaming the U.S. for suggesting that they might have to leave at some point, and instead explained why, in fact, they want to stay. What it is about America that makes a youth of 21 go on a hunger strike or demonstrate to be allowed to remain in this country rather than return to the place of his birth?

I think I know the answer to this paradox. Missing entirely in the above description is the attitude of the host, which by any historical standard can only be termed “indifferent.” California does not care whether one broke the law to arrive here or continues to break it by staying. It asks nothing of the illegal immigrant—no proficiency in English, no acquaintance with American history and values, no proof of income, no record of education or skills. It does provide all the public assistance that it can afford (and more that it borrows for), and apparently waives enforcement of most of California ‘s burdensome regulations and civic statutes that increasingly have plagued productive citizens to the point of driving them out. How odd that we over-regulate those who are citizens and have capital to the point of banishing them from the state, but do not regulate those who are aliens and without capital to the point of encouraging millions more to follow in their footsteps. How odd—to paraphrase what Critias once said of ancient Sparta—that California is at once both the nation’s most unfree and most free state, the most repressed and the wildest.

Hundreds of thousands sense all that and vote accordingly with their feet, both into and out of California—and the result is a sort of social, cultural, economic, and political time-bomb, whose ticks are getting louder.

Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, the editor of “Makers of Ancient Strategy: From the Persian Wars to the Fall of Rome” , and the author of “The Father of Us All: War and History, Ancient and Modern.

“Freedom of speech and the first amendment are slowly being replaced with political correctness.

Freedom of speech is the lynchpin of our constitution,and thus is the First amendment in the Bill of Rights.
If PC continues it will destroy our country.

When I was growing up this is what we were taught about the first amendment: “I may not agree with what you say,but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

One must keep in mind, the people championing PC,want this country to fail.”


90 posted on 04/09/2018 8:04:33 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: SamAdams76
Now it is a GOP stronghold.

Of course it is they want to bring back slavery. </s>

91 posted on 04/09/2018 8:06:11 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE; Duchess47; thoughtomator
He was right and still is even in death.

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like where men were free. ~ Ronald Reagan
The elite need to be removed and the house and senate needs to be fumigated.

We must vote for "The Man With the Big Red (R)" Beside his name.

“We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all.

Ronald Reagan, 1965

“I know here that you will agree with me that standing up for America also means standing up for the God who has so blessed our land. I believe this country hungers for a spiritual revival. I believe it longs to see traditional values reflected in public policy again. To those who cite the first amendment as reason for excluding God from more and more of our institutions and everyday life, may I just say: The first amendment of the Constitution was not written to protect the people of this country from religious values; it was written to protect religious values from government tyranny.”

- Ronald Reagan -

“Faith in God, patriotism, freedom, the love of freedom, family, work, neighborhood — the heart and soul of America’s past and the promise of her future. If we stand together and live up to these principles, we will not fail.”

- Ronald Reagan -

92 posted on 04/09/2018 8:18:36 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: 5th MEB

You’re not even allowed to think about being a republican and work for the city of Sf


93 posted on 04/09/2018 8:33:21 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: FLT-bird

What are you talking about? Even with a some business leaving, CA economy dwarfs your states puny economy and I don’t even know what state you’re in.

Does that tell ya something?

Btw, I tend to agree with others, there is a good chance the azzholes running this state overplayed their hands and things could turn around. It’s happened before, it can happen again.


94 posted on 04/09/2018 9:04:43 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: doorgunner69
If democrat thugs in California don't have enough votes they'll just bring in a few million more illegals. Liars in the press will pretend not to notice because they're just as corrupt ... just as vile.

We might not be able to save California from becoming a third world sh*thole.

95 posted on 04/09/2018 10:19:56 AM PDT by GOPJ (While China was distracting DC & Congress w/cash China cornered the Earth Elemental Markets...)
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To: doorgunner69

The reason “Motor Voter” is so important for democrats is because the most common form of Voter Fraud is to ‘VOTE THE PEOPLE WHO DON’T SHOW UP TO VOTE’. All democrats need for this type of fraud is ‘names on the roles’. It’s also how the ‘dead’ get voted.

PS I was a democrat - I know how it’s done.


96 posted on 04/09/2018 10:30:59 AM PDT by GOPJ (While China was distracting DC & Congress w/cash China cornered the Earth Elemental Markets...)
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To: thoughtomator
Obviously you got to aim for another Communist. We got technology for this now.

I don't know, I think laser-guided tyrants might be too cruel for the Geneva Convention! ;) I do like the whole collectivist feel to it, though. From each according to his mass and velocity, to each according to his location!

97 posted on 04/09/2018 12:37:44 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: thoughtomator


"I kill a Communist for fun, but for a Green Card, I'm gonna carve him up, real nice"
98 posted on 04/09/2018 12:40:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
What the heck is a multi-state tax?

I wondered that myself. Apparently if a resident of California earns income in another state, he or she pays California income tax on that, which tends to be higher than the tax charged in whatever other state that happens to be.

The fix is in, and this is how it's done:

With a jungle primary system in our elections, the top two candidates in the primary go on to the general election – regardless of party. So what this meant in the 2016 election is that nearly 800,000 Californians only had one Republican on their entire ballot to vote for – Donald Trump.

The first priority of the radical Left once in office is to see that the rules are changed to keep it there.

99 posted on 04/09/2018 1:05:49 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 5th MEB

Acton is WAY TO EXPENSIVE for it to be overrun by illegals YET, they are being pro active, a lot of Hollywood types moving into that area and the folks that have been there for years can see the writing on the wall coming their way!!!!


100 posted on 04/09/2018 3:49:54 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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