Posted on 03/15/2018 12:07:32 PM PDT by rktman
Americans love their cars. The United States has one of the highest car ownership rates per capita in the world. We're a mobile culture and we like it that way. But a tax-per-mile plan being pushed by Republican Rep. Sam Graves of Missouri might have drivers re-thinking those weekend joyrides instead of feeling all the pain at the pump.
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You're absolutely right. And this is coming from one who's lately jonesin' for a Tesla Model S. I'm guessing at least a few of the Neanderthals in our midst will see the light once the monster Tesla electric semis start tearing up our highways...
My biggest concern with any new tax is that it will supplement, rather than replace, the old tax. I mean, does anyone REALLY believe politicians will allow a tax to go to and stay at ZERO, when everything they need to keep collecting that tax remains in place?
So, as electric cars keep getting better and more of us switch to driving them, and as electric semis begin tearing up our highways, what then?
This is the stupidest proposal made by any elected official so far today.
Dunno..
Show me....
He might register as a Republican but he is not, in principle, a Republican. What’s is the government going to to - track the mileage of every vehicle? Only something that would be a Liberty violating intrusion would hand over to the government the changes in your vehicles mileage.
Less intrusive is the understanding that (a) fuel taxes are a user fee for using the roads, and (2) the public roads that are not private and not toll roads need public funding and the least intrusive means are fuel taxes, and (3) as vehicles’ average miles per gallon keep improving, you may traverse the roads for as many miles as before, but the net user fee collected per mile is less, therefore, we only need to peg fuel taxes to the average miles per gallon, adjusting it as the average miles per gallon improves; which, without any other formal fuel tax increase, will simply raise the same revenue per average mile driven as before.
Republicans ought to understand that an adjustable fuel tax rate based on changes to the average miles per gallon, is (a) extremely less intrusive than the big brother means of tracking everyone’s vehicle mileage, and (b) is not intended or designed to increase what someone is paying in fuel taxes, just match current revenue collected to any improvement in the average miles per gallon.
It could be implemented in no less than 6 year increments.
For example:
If in six years the average miles per gallon has increased from 23.6 to 22.4 (2011 to 2017) that would mean a 1.2 mile per gallon improvement. That would mean on the same gallon of gas, cars and light trucks drove on average 1.2 miles further, but paid the same fuel taxes as when they drove 1.2 miles less per gallon.
The miles per gallon improvement was 5.35714285714286% yet, with no change in the fuel tax/user fee, less revenue per average mile per gallon was actually collected. If the fuel tax was raised by the same % as the % improvement in the average miles per gallon, it would in fact be essentially revenue neutral compared to what had been collected before.
I see nothing “anti-conservative” about it, and much prefer it to the politics that either refuses to admit we are collecting less user-fee-fuel-taxes per average mile per gallon, when average mile gallon is improving, or the politics that just wants to raise fuel taxes for the sake of raising a tax, or the big brother gambits of knowing the changes in our vehicles miles driven over any period of time.
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No problem. Then I want gas tax free for all my lawn mowers and yard equipment and atv,etc. Right now I pay road tax at the pump for these off road vehicles and equipment.
OMG I made a typo that left what I meant understood by no one!!! /sarc
Cell phones led to cell phone jammers.
GPS led to GPS jammers.
Nothing can record data that isn’t available.
Why?? Every car that still runs has an odometer (when was the odometer introduced?? Long, long ago certainly).
"If" said tax requires ANY "added electronics", then it proves itself to be a means for people tracking and NOT a tax.
All this needs is to designate a car-related business in your home town as your "reporting station" that you would stop by on a (say) monthly or quarterly basis to have the odometer reading recorded and sent in.
1979 K5 Blazer, 1965 Willys CJ5, 1982 CJ7 all in stages of being made roadworthy.
In the meantime, I am doing ok with a 16 Tacoma.
You should listen the the talk show people here in Seattle where the state government is talking about taxing cars per mile and a transponder is used to monitor your driving habits, where you go, how long it took you to get there (speeding much?) and that info goes direct to the state patrol.
The face of the GoPe
I quit watching television years ago. Hopefully, enough legislators will recognize this as a MASSIVE invasion of privacy. Fortunately, it is unlikely to effect me, as I plan to move out of Washington this year....it is getting to be too much of a California clone.
A bar code on your car, and a scanner
on the pump. Gonna have to scan before
the pump will dispense. The car’s
computer will show mileage on your
receipt, and recorded on the pump.
And you’ll get a monthly tax bill
in the mail.
I don’t know how they would record
mileage in a car without a computer.
This is my best guess as to how they
are going to be able to track you,
where ever you go.
Yep. I have two...1940 Plymouth pickup
and a 1979 Jeep CJ7.
Nice.
The devil, no doubt. It would take a special tracking device in our vehicles, which would show how many miles we drive, and where to! No way would we want that NWO surveillance!
As it is, I won’t fly anymore. Invade my car, and I may have to go to raising horses, and become Amish! (sarc)
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