Posted on 03/12/2018 6:01:06 AM PDT by Kaslin
The recent gun control debate ignited by last month’s tragedy in Parkland, Florida, has liberals trotting out what has become a favorite Leftist talking point - Australia’s 1996 National Agreement on Firearms, an act which, among other things, severely restricted semi-automatic rifles after after a similarly horrific mass shooting.
Liberals consider the cornerstone of the law, a massive forced gun buyback program, a “common sense” approach to what might otherwise be perceived by gun owners as an unwelcome curtailing of traditional American freedoms. Sure, the government may be forcing gun owners to make the transaction, but exchanging money for items IS capitalism, right? And it sure beats the alternative, a Communist-style door-to-door roundup of weapons that both sides agree would likely lead to civil war.
Don’t get me wrong, I think most true Leftists would LOVE to harness the power of the State to crush liberty-minded gun owners by every means necessary, and if a few of the right eggs are broken in the process, so much the better. But realists on both sides know such a scenario is highly unlikely to happen, at least to a result the Left would want. In all likelihood, open displays of tyrannical force such as openly rounding up certain people groups or door-to-door weapons confiscations are highly likely to result in open displays of resistance, and a civil war that is likely to be fought, and won, by the good guys.
On this matter, right-wing pundits are correct:
On the topic of whether or not citizens could resist “violent tyranny,” Townhall’s Kurt Schlichter writes, “The short answer is, ‘Yes.’ As Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan all teach, a decentralized insurgency with small arms can effectively confront a modern police/military force ... But the bottom line is that two untrained idiots with handguns shut down Boston. What do you think 100 million Americans – many trained and some battle-tested – could do with their rifles?”
“There is no other way around it: The mandatory confiscation of the American citizenry’s guns would involve tens of thousands of heavily armed federal agents going door-to-door to demand of millions of Americans that they surrender their guns. That. Is. Not. Going. To. Happen,” opines National Review’s Mark Wright.
“Make no mistake, armed rebellion would be the consequence,” writes Varad Mehta for The Federalist in a piece that’s par for the course when it comes to most thinking on the right. “Armed men would be dispatched to confiscate guns, they would be met by armed men, and blood would be shed. Australia is a valid example for America only if you are willing for that blood to be spilled in torrents and rivers. To choose Australia is to choose civil war.”
Even the more sane gun control proponents are wise to the political situation. University of Sydney professor Philip Alpers, who is also the founding director of GunPolicy.org, told the New York Times, “What Australia did was a confiscation of private property under the threat of jail time, compensated or not. That wouldn’t wash in the United States.”
Further, when unduly oppressive laws are actually passed in the United States, such as recent laws in New York and Connecticut passed after the Sandy Hook massacre, they are often ignored by the majority of gun owners and sparsely enforced by the states themselves. “New York and Connecticut authorities so far have shown no inclination to enforce their laws by going door to door to round up unregistered guns and arrest their owners,” Mehta wrote in the 2015 piece. “But that’s what would be necessary to enforce the law. A federal law, therefore, would require sweeping, national police action involving thousands of lawmen and affecting tens of millions of people. If proponents of gun control are serious about getting guns out of Americans’ hands, someone will have to take those guns out of Americans’ hands.”
Sure, it’s hard to argue with Mehta’s logic, at least on the surface. And it’s a good thing for gun owners, right?
Not necessarily, not if you look just beneath that surface.
Consider: If rational minds on the Left know all this, to what end are they still pushing for such laws, especially when it’s obvious that they don’t care whether ANY gun control laws are actually enforced. Not yet anyway. (Remember, it’s always conservatives, not liberals, pushing for enforcement of existing law.)
And yet, they do want more and more laws on the books, and the more draconian, obscure, and hard to keep track of, the better. But why?
Here’s the answer, and it should scare every gun owner in the country:
They want to make de facto criminals out of the majority of the gun owning population.
That way, they can essentially pick us off, one by one.
Without necessarily meaning to, Mehta hits on this critical point in his piece: “A national gun buyback law would turn a significant portion of the American people into criminals,” he wrote. “Residents of New York and Connecticut snubbed their new laws … Compliance with the registration requirement has been modest at best, as hundreds of thousands of gun owners in both states refused to register their weapons. So far, then, the laws have been most successful in creating hundreds of thousands of lawbreakers who feel obligated to break the law.”
If liberals are able to pass any sort of “assault weapons” ban, buyback or no buyback, they know they will make criminals out of several million currently law-abiding gun owners. And even if the majority of those gun owners don’t follow the law now, that won’t make them any less a criminal. They just haven’t been caught yet.
But when the ‘right people’ control the levers of power and the ‘right laws’ are all in place, make no mistake - they will be caught.
Here’s the rub. It’s one thing to hold up your rifle and shout “come and take it,” à la Charleton Heston, before thousands of like-minded people. The Feds aren’t going to come to a National Rifle Association convention and start arresting people, at least not yet. And they aren’t going to conduct door-to-door house searches, arresting gun owners and confiscating their firearms, either. Not yet.
But believe me, under the right circumstances and with the right laws in place, the arrests will come. They’ll come when you’re going to work, or to the bank, or to the park with your kids, or a thousand other places. They’ll come after you’ve used your now-illegal AR-15 to defend yourself against a home invader, or if they spot it during a “routine” home search.
Never, ever underestimate these people and the depth of their evil. Remember, the Cheka managed to fill the Soviet gulags to the brim, and yet they did it quietly, with little fuss and even less armed revolt.
And they won’t need to arrest everyone to make the majority obey. No, they only need a few, and word will spread quickly.
So what will you do, dear AR-15 owner, when the ‘Cheka’ comes for your neighbor, and you know the laws are on the books to prosecute? Will a “buyback” and “amnesty” be enough to convince YOU to acquiesce? You’ve got a job, a wife, kids to raise. When they “come and take it,” is your family worth risking?
No, when they take your guns there will be no civil war. There will be no large-scale revolution, because liberals are experts at pushing that Overton Window enough not to shock the system. Like frogs in water that’s about to boil, people won’t jump until it’s too late.
That is why it’s so important to not get complacent and believe a worse case scenario will never happen. That’s why it’s critical to fight the gun controllers’ efforts to change the law at EVERY turn, using EVERY legal means possible.
Long before they “come and take” our guns, and our freedoms.
Scot Morefield has an exaggerated sense of the average LEO. They all want to go home at night. Even the US Marshals. After about 48 hours of trying gun confiscation in the South they would refuse to go back out.
Somebody needs to tell Scott that this country is on the verge of civil war now. There are literally millions of highly pizzed off people walking around furious about stuff like the powers that be letting all these roach refugees in our country.
Just wait til the folks are watching a bunch of jackboots kicking in some poor schlubs door to take his guns. A couple of nights of that and everybody with a uniform is going to be a target.
Guns are the line in the sand.
Is that a new word you have learned? How special.
Must suck to live in your Mom’s basement and troll people on FR for your jollies.
He's correct that there a good number of gun owners who may be concerned about how their actions may affect wives and children. However, there are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of us who are currently on our own and at an age where we can shrug, say "I've had a good life", followed by "Damn the consequences."
The author thinks that it will only take a few arrests and confiscations before the rest of the gun owners "learn their lesson" and acquiesce to the tyranny. I say that the opposite is just as true, and far more likely: it won't take the ambushes and death of a few gun-grabbers to make the rest think that it's not worth their lives to do so ...
Racking up felony arrests against conservative, moderates or any non-liberal is a win for the left.
And, the local police chief might be delighted to record your arrest on the blotter for all to see. Also, that they seized an “arsenal” (ie: three boxes of ammo).
Sure, you’ll get off or get it reduced to a misdemeanor...there will be no jail time...after you spend $3-$5,000 on a lawyer.
Socialist do as they are told. The liberals run education, and are turning your children and grandchildren into Canadians.
I remember a post from my early days on FR. Can’t remember the poster’s name. He said any confiscation at his house would have three stages:
1. They come in and look for the guns. They find some but not all.
2. As they leave, he kills as many as he can.
3. They kill him.
Agree if you mean by that the most effective thing; i.e., modest incrementalism.
Of course, that wouldn't negate an eventual bloody response. Somewhere in my wall of books I recall reading the American Revolution was the result of roughly 5% of our population, and they were faced at the time by the world's most effective military. Many of the rest actually supported and helped the British.
One thing I have not seen discussed is an unintended consequence of gun banning laws. There have been such laws passed in California, NJ, Mass, and New York. From what I have read, compliance of these laws has been low, on the order of 20% or less.
It would seem that once the banned guns go underground, that would mean a large percentage of them are guaranteed to go to criminals. With the draconian penalties for owning or possessing such weapons, after the original owner dies, none of the survivors will turn over the weapon to the authorities. You just know that some overzealous prosecutor somewhere will bring the full weight of the state down on someone who tries to turn in such a gun. The word will spread fast.
So, the survivor will turn to someone they trust to “dispose” of the problem gun. I am guessing that a large percentage of those people will feed it to (if not outright criminals) questionable people. The next iteration will certainly go to outright criminals.
If so, the criminals in a few years are going to get an upgrade of weaponry courtesy of the gun banners.
That is a helpful point. The 2018 tax on your least expensive 1911 will $1200.
“America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.” --- opening lines of “101 Things To Do ‘Til The Revolution by Claire Wolfe
Let’s approach this strictly from the standpoint of “working within the system”. Working within the system means complying with the Constitution’s amendment process to eliminate the Second Amendment. However, the citizen has the right to gun ownership in the absence of the Second Amendment.
Is government constitutionally empowered to “come and take our guns” after repeal of the Second Amendment? No, they are not.
Is government constitutionally empowered to create legislation to “come and take our guns” after repeal of the Second Amendment? No, they are not.
The issue then centers on the requirement to create an amendment that creates a new power of legislation.
If they couldn’t round up 50 million illegals, how are they going to round up a billion guns?
There is no organization. Very few would resist. Unorganized, untrained, 21st Century soft individuals will not have the nerve to rush to get themselves shot to pieces killed. Think Predator Drone, think Wart Hog. This talk about armed resistance sounds like fantasy-land bravado. Fifty years ago, maybe. Now, no way. The last of the ‘Nam draftees (US) and the ‘Nam volunteers (RA) are too old, and the all-volunteer troops after ‘Nam have been worn out and used up by multiple deployments. Think it through.
Well it was a figurative form of speech, not allowing them to be purchased Is the same as taking away one’s rights to have them.
It is sad when we have come to the point where we have to distinguish between the two, because those rights are being eroded. Now people here are to point of saying that although those in that age group can’t buy them, they can still have them, they’re not being taken away at their front door. As if that is some justification.
I don’t mean you, I’m speaking of those that are fine with us. I understand the distinction you are making.
> “The Federal government has never banned a single gun already lawfully owned by a citizen.”
True, but several states have banned and seized what once had been legal guns. California, NJ, Mass, and New York are a few. In fact, NY has a squad that specifically checks death certificates against gun ownership lists and shows up sometimes before the person is buried to confiscate their guns.
Standing idly by, while states slowly pass these laws 1 by 1 is going to kill America. Apathy is a terrible thing.
Not any more!!
I would have used the big magnet to get mine out of the lake after that boating accident; but it kept snagging on something in the very deep water.
IP address noted and recorded.
NSA Agent 2713
Sounds like a plan.
Next door neighbor takes notes.
Guys from Janet Reno’s WACO squad visit him with a TANK mounted ‘tear gas’ applier.
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