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Trump publicly spars with Republicans over concealed carry, NRA influence at school safety session
Fox News ^ | February 28, 2018 | Alex Pappas, John Roberts

Posted on 02/28/2018 3:37:04 PM PST by familyop

...Trump told House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, R-La.,...that a comprehensive gun bill would not pass if it included a concealed carry reciprocity proposal desired by Republicans....Trump told Scalise...it should pass as a separate. If you’re going to put concealed carry between states into this bill, we’re talking about a whole new ball game.”...the White House proposal will include raising the minimum age for buying long guns to 21 from 18 -- a proposal that Trump acknowledged is opposed by the NRA.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
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To: vette6387; unkus; SkyPilot; HarleyLady27; Liz; NFHale

Romney should retire to a rocking chair in some obscure corner of Utah and do the country a favor and disappear from politics.


101 posted on 02/28/2018 7:21:45 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Zionist Conspirator; All
"The application of the BOR to the states was the work of the ACLU and other groups [??? emphasis added], though ironically some conservatives support this for the Second Amendment."

With all due respect Zionist Conspirator, please consider the following.

The congressional record shows that Rep. John Bingham, the main author of Section 1 of 14th Amendment (14A), had clarified the following about the scope of 14A on March 31, 1871.

One of the purposes of Section 1 of 14A is to apply to the states not just the Bill of Rights, including 2nd Amendment, but all personal protections that the states have amended the Constitution to expressly protect.

"Mr. Speaker, that the scope and meaning of the limitations imposed by the first section, fourteenth amendment of the Constitution may be more fully understood, permit me to say that the privileges and immunities of citizens of the United States, as contradistinguished from citizens of a State, are chiefly defined in the first eight amendments to the Constitution of the United States. Those eight amendments are as follows:

[First eight amendments to the Constitution are listed.]

These eight articles I have shown never were limitations upon the power of the States, until made so by the fourteenth amendment. The words of that amendment, " no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States," are an express prohibition upon every State of the Union, which may be enforced under existing laws of Congress, and such other laws for their better enforcement as Congress may make."

John Bingham, Congressional Globe. (See middle of 2nd column.)

Corrections, insights welcome.

102 posted on 02/28/2018 7:31:26 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: OttawaFreeper
Sometimes, this site seems like it is not properly policed concerning nonsense like this.

Yearning for the comfort of Echo Chamber instead of Free Republic ?

103 posted on 02/28/2018 7:58:26 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: prov1813man

“so we, objectively, by staying home, would elect pelosi and shumer and all who actively hate and seek to destroy us.”

Who said anything about staying home? I’ve never missed a general election, even when I was stationed overseas (absentee ballot for Nixon).


104 posted on 02/28/2018 8:03:25 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

“Romney should retire to a rocking chair in some obscure corner of Utah and do the country a favor and disappear from politics.”

Agreed! But he won’t, and he’s a shoo-in. Just hope he’s not quite as bad as McStain, and that he won’t “team up” with Faggot Boy Graham! Lindsey won’t fare as well with out a “dancing partner!”


105 posted on 02/28/2018 8:05:16 PM PST by vette6387
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To: piasa

“Yearning for the comfort of Echo Chamber instead of Free Republic ? “

Yeah, sure are a lot of “chicken littles,” and “pearl clutchers” here. Everyone hangs on every word that comes out of Trump’s mouth, but fail to see the end result. He DACAed the RATs today. At the end of the day, I am betting Fineswine and Chucky Schmucky, will have a coed wound licking session soon. Trump has so many throw away lines, that I thought today was funny.


106 posted on 02/28/2018 8:10:01 PM PST by vette6387
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To: ripnbang

Good point on NRA


107 posted on 02/28/2018 8:41:24 PM PST by Reno89519 (Americans Are Dreamers, Too! No to Amnesty, Yes to Catch-and-Deport, and Yes to E-Verify.)
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To: familyop

I was 12 and bought
my first gun from Sears and Roebuck.
Remington Sportmaster .22 bolt
action rifle....still have
it...it’s in perfect shape....and I never
shot anyone with it....


108 posted on 02/28/2018 10:39:31 PM PST by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: Midwesterner53

Lots of folks getting oh-so-worried w/o knowing how strong the NRA is going after the politicians right now - while I love the NRA (and have since I was aware of it as a child in the ‘50s), they can overstep like anyone else and one of the reasons we elected President Trump is that he would not be beholden or coerced by ANY organizations.


109 posted on 03/01/2018 3:49:54 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: trebb

Where, exactly, has the NRA overstepped?


110 posted on 03/01/2018 3:55:35 AM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: Reno89519

Saw Dana Loesch (sp?) on Laura Ingraham show last night. She was “concerned”, but I did not get the sense there is any panic at the NRA. I believe (after all she was a huge never Trumper during the campaign) she’d be pretty vocal about it if it was real. I haven’t got one email from NRA this week, I’ve received plenty from other gun rights orgs, but nada from NRA, which means one of two things to me...they, along with Trump, have sold out (doubtful), or this is the DACA game all over again. “Send me a bill with “x” in it, I’ll sign it”....then two weeks later, “what the hell is this? This is awful, no deal”.


111 posted on 03/01/2018 3:58:19 AM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man, a subject.")
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To: familyop

This age requirement nonsense brings to mind the .488 caliber rifle, “Old Betsy” in the hands of 17 year-old Davey Crockett and 12 year-old Daniel Boone, who got his first rifle at age 12. Daniel soon got a .44-caliber Kentucky long rifle built by his brother Squire, a skilled gunsmith, which he gave the nickname, “Tick-licker.” He boasted that, with it, he could shoot a tick off an animal without hurting the beast.

Then there was William “Buffalo Bill” Cody who was celebrated, at age 10, as the youngest Indian fighter on the Great Plains. About that time, Cody hunted buffalo for the Kansas Pacific Railroad work crews, earning his moniker “Buffalo Bill” and his reputation as an expert shot.

James Butler (”Wild Bill”) Hickok earned a reputation as a master marksman before he was 18 years-old. Shooting contests were a favorite sport at that time.

And speaking of shooting contests, I have to mention Phoebe Ann (Annie Oakley) Mosey. It was at age 15 that she won a shooting match against the famed traveling-show marksman Frank E. Butler (who she later married). It was this event that led her to the famous Buffalo Bill’s Wild West show a few years later.

Annie learned her shooting skills after her father died when she was six. Annie began trapping before the age of seven, and shooting and hunting by age eight. She sold the hunted game to locals in Greenville, Ohio to help her widowed mother support her six siblings.

Because of her father’s death, the events of Annie’s early years caused her to endure mental and physical abuse. It makes me wonder why today’s youth blame their bad behavior on the environment. It makes me wonder if their “mental problems” are not the result of something else that is being overlooked. I think it is being overlooked purposely. That Annie’s parents were Quakers gives me a clue.

These kids of America’s early beginnings, who shot guns at an early age, did not go on murderous rages. Their ability to shoot was turned to productive activities instead of destructive assaults against society. Why is this happening today? This is what we need to be exploring. These episodes of terror are a symptom of something going wrong. That we need an age limit for gun ownership tells me we need age limits for almost everything. We cannot have a society if we can’t trust our youth with anything.


112 posted on 03/01/2018 9:36:15 AM PST by jonrick46 (Trump continues to have all the right enemies.)
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To: papertyger

Didn’t say the NRA has overstepped, but we don’t know what kind of dialogue they and trump may have had behind the scenes...the gal has a tone that says her ego may push the wrong buttons - I like what she’s been saying but I get the sense she ain’t any more reticent about being a blunt tool than I am and I have definitely chafed a few folks.


113 posted on 03/01/2018 10:23:40 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: trebb
...while I love the NRA (and have since I was aware of it as a child in the ‘50s), they can overstep like anyone else...

Didn’t say the NRA has overstepped...

So what was the purpose of your first statement?

114 posted on 03/01/2018 10:34:23 AM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: papertyger

Covering your ears and eyes so you can only see and hear what you want so you can be obtuse?


115 posted on 03/01/2018 10:53:52 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: trebb
Covering your ears and eyes so you can only see and hear what you want so you can be obtuse?

Pray tell: what am i missing?

Are you going to ignore this question, too?

116 posted on 03/01/2018 10:58:14 AM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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To: OttawaFreeper

“what has Trump done but make a few comments or observations”

The fact that those ideas could even be in his head is very scary. And, if they are, then he should keep them in his head and not have them spew from his mouth. He has no filter.

I’m hoping that more rational people have a heart-to-heart with him before the weekend, and that all of this turn around quickly.


117 posted on 03/01/2018 11:06:20 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (Have an A-1 day.)
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To: trebb

My concern is he is talking like he is not beholden to his voters.


118 posted on 03/01/2018 12:01:06 PM PST by Midwesterner53
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To: trebb
"Lots of folks getting oh-so-worried w/o knowing how strong the NRA is going after the politicians right now - while I love the NRA (and have since I was aware of it as a child in the ‘50s), they can overstep like anyone else and one of the reasons we elected President Trump is that he would not be beholden or coerced by ANY organizations."

Well, at least you're being honest about your position in favor of gun control. I can't say the same for others, who are lying about Trump's position and insulting the rest of us. Some of the others, by the way, are proponents of police state policies and have defended the most controversial decisions of the Broward Sheriff's Dept.


119 posted on 03/01/2018 1:35:42 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: trebb
"Didn’t say the NRA has overstepped,"

I'm taking back what I said about honesty.

"the gal has a tone that says her ego may push the wrong buttons"

Dana Loesch does her job well. There's confidence in her tone, but I don't see any "ego" problem.

Shooting survivor confronts NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AtOU0dDXv8

As we Americans of longer American descent can see in the video, the ego problem is not in Dana but in her foreign opposition.

After I graduated from Ft. Leonard Wood as a new 12 Bravo, an old woman in my Kansas town looked up at me and said, "What an arrogant male." She liked some of the REMFs, though.


120 posted on 03/01/2018 2:17:49 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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