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Israel proves the NRA's arguments
Arutz Sheva ^ | 2/15/18 | Tzvi Lev

Posted on 02/16/2018 10:23:37 PM PST by aquila48

Wednesday's horrific shooting in Florida has reignited the gun rights debate in the United States...

In the past, proponents of limiting civilian access to firearms have extolled Israel as having the proper approach to limiting mass shootings, pointing to the numerous legal hoops Israelis must jump through in order to be granted a gun license.

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In reality, Israel's gun policy is living proof of the arguments the American gun lobby has been making for years.

Gun rights advocates contend that the way to stop mass shootings is by ensuring that there are always well-armed citizens present who can neutralize the shooter. As NRA chairman Wayne Lapierre always says, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". A bedrock of the NRA's philosophy is that criminals will always acquire guns illegally, and draconian gun laws only render law-abiding citizens defenseless.

Enter Israel: When the knife intifada erupted in September 2015, the Israeli government's response was to ease the process for the civilian populace to obtain weapons. After a particularly bloody Jerusalem shooting attack that killed four, then-Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan drastically changed the gun laws in order to significantly raise the number of armed civilians on the streets. Instantly, graduates of Special Forces units and IDF officers with the rank of Lieutenant and above were permitted to purchase guns at their will, security guards were allowed to bring their guns home after work, and the minimum age for a license was reduced from 21 to 18.

Erdan explained that "civilians well trained in the use of weapons provide reinforcement in the struggle against terrorism", while Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat called for every resident to carry a gun, and was even photographed traveling the city carrying a Glock 23.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Israel; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fbi; florida; israel; nikolascruz

1 posted on 02/16/2018 10:23:38 PM PST by aquila48
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To: aquila48

We need to get back to our constitution in so many ways if our country is ever to work better again. Including for sure “.. the rights of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.


2 posted on 02/16/2018 10:31:04 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: aquila48

In fact Israel’s gun laws are closer to that of Europe. The United States has it better.


3 posted on 02/16/2018 10:39:44 PM PST by NorseViking
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To: aquila48

There is no guarantee a good guy with a gun will prevail against an armed bad guy, but there is a 100% guarantee an unarmed good guy will not be able to save the day against an armed bad guy.


4 posted on 02/16/2018 10:42:56 PM PST by umgud
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To: aquila48

In reality, Israel’s gun policy is living proof of the arguments the American gun lobby has been making for years.

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It should be called the American citizen’s empowerment lobby.


5 posted on 02/16/2018 10:49:18 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: aquila48

The author says that while Israeli gun laws are more like those in Europe than the US, gun control has failed. Criminal and terrorists can easily get guns in spite of licensing requirements. And the reality of deadly, on-going terrorism has forced the Israeli government to drastically relax its licensing requirements.

The best way to prevent school massacres would be to haVe armed guards and armed teachers in schools. But America would rather have its kids mowed down than to protect them. That says a lot more about its unwillingness to face reality than to deal with the problem at hand.

Bad guys will seek to kill in gun-free zones and keeping people forcibly disarmed making them sitting ducks lead to high death counts. Rather than ban guns, its high time to eliminate gun-free zones altogether. There is no logical or common-sense justification to maintain them. Period.


6 posted on 02/17/2018 3:45:07 AM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Forever))
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To: aquila48

Since 1982, according to statistic compiled by Mother Jones magazine, there have been 16 school shootings in the United States, resulting in 162 fatalities. Including the Parkland shooting Wednesday. In that same interval over 500,000 people have been murdered in the U.S.

https://www.motherjones.com/.../mass-shootings-mother.../

The worst school massacre in the United States occurred in Bath, Michigan in 1927, with 44 dead.


7 posted on 02/17/2018 4:24:04 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Liberals love gun-free zones.

As though they can’t see the attraction they offer to mass murderers.

But let’s go after the NRA for wanting to keep the 2nd Amendment around.

Its all about priorities.


8 posted on 02/17/2018 4:35:02 AM PST by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Forever))
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To: aquila48

The Boston Massacre, the battles of Lexington & Concord, and more recently, Nazism and Bolshevism - ALL have made the case for the 2nd Amendment.


9 posted on 02/17/2018 4:49:13 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Moonman62

Exactly; our government knows we will never be abused in the manner of Venezuelan people, and resents the fact that we can prevent that.


10 posted on 02/17/2018 5:26:18 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

IIRC, that 1927 school massacre was a bombing, not a shooting.


11 posted on 02/17/2018 5:32:31 AM PST by Bob (Damn, the democrats haven't been this upset since Republicans freed their slaves.)
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To: aquila48

in light of the conduct of the teachers and coaches who threw themselves into the line of fire to save students. I think they’d have been better off if they’d had the means to defend them properly. They certainly weren’t lacking the courage necessary to engage the shooter.

I also wonder how many of the staff actually have CCW permits but weren’t allowed to have them on the school grounds due to the stupid gun free zone.


12 posted on 02/17/2018 6:14:33 AM PST by GMMC0987
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To: aquila48
probably wont be read by anybody but us.

When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, Israel did not declare every school a gun-free zone.
It passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers and today runs frequent active shooter drills.
There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with teachers killing the terrorists.

13 posted on 02/17/2018 8:40:11 AM PST by stylin19a (Best.Election.of.All-Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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To: stylin19a

Email it to your liberal “friends”. At a minimum it’ll irritate them and you’ll get a smile out of it.


14 posted on 02/17/2018 9:14:39 AM PST by aquila48
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The link isn’t working. :(


15 posted on 02/17/2018 10:34:15 AM PST by redpoll
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To: aquila48
When the knife intifada erupted in September 2015, the Israeli government's response was to ease the process for the civilian populace to obtain weapons. After a particularly bloody Jerusalem shooting attack that killed four, then-Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan drastically changed the gun laws in order to significantly raise the number of armed civilians on the streets. Instantly, graduates of Special Forces units and IDF officers with the rank of Lieutenant and above were permitted to purchase guns at their will, security guards were allowed to bring their guns home after work, and the minimum age for a license was reduced from 21 to 18.

Meanwhile, on FR (of all places), we have a bunch of ... people ... who want to RAISE the legal age to purchase firearms. We even have one who wants to prohibit anyone under 21 from even touching a firearm. The stupidity needs to stop.

16 posted on 02/17/2018 10:40:00 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Here’s a link that works, which is up to date:

www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/


17 posted on 02/17/2018 10:41:23 AM PST by redpoll
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Since 1982, according to statistic compiled by Mother Jones magazine, there have been 16 school shootings in the United States, resulting in 162 fatalities. Including the Parkland shooting Wednesday. In that same interval over 500,000 people have been murdered in the U.S.


While CHOICE has killed about 35,000,000 future American citizens since that time.


And Abortion 'providers' can still fly on airplanes!



18 posted on 02/18/2018 3:57:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Absolutely true.


19 posted on 02/18/2018 4:01:11 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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