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Farriery/Horseshoeing a crime?
American Farriers Journal ^ | 6 Feb 2016

Posted on 02/06/2018 3:13:46 PM PST by rey

The American Veterinary Medicine Association is proposing removing the farrier exemption veterinary practice. It is unclear what this would mean but at worst, it would mean only a vet may shoe a horse, or a farrier may only do so under supervision or with a prescription from a vet. Clearly, this will add a cost to shoeing and may eliminate many shoers from the profession. It may require all farriers be certified. Given the predatory nature of some vets in my area, they will simply black ball certain shoers.

Does anyone know from where the AVMA draws its power? They certainly do not have any criminal enforcement. Who arrests you when you practice veterinary medicine without a license? How may this be stopped? If not, what are a shoer's options?

See link for specifics and link to AMVA site.


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To: rey; stylecouncilor; windcliff

Interesting thread.

Thanks for posting, rey.


41 posted on 02/06/2018 4:32:18 PM PST by onedoug
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To: lastchance

I bet they’d charge a whole lot more, too.


42 posted on 02/06/2018 4:35:08 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say)
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To: Manuel OKelley

PUT DOWN THE BOTTLE AND TYPE WITH BOTH HANDS.


43 posted on 02/06/2018 4:37:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Cuttnhorse
My vet works with several farriers in the area on a consultation basis to work on lameness problems. Any smart vet will do this.

The same here in Alabama ,our Vet is very good at referring us to the farrier on correction shoeing and some lameness issues .

44 posted on 02/06/2018 4:38:39 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: rey

If it ain’t broke...don’t fix it.

I’ve never had an issue with our farrier overstepping his scope, and I’ve never had our veterinarian want to trim our critters hooves.

Seems like a very solid, workable plan.

Leave it alone.


45 posted on 02/06/2018 4:45:01 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. Mr Trump, we've got your six.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t think you have ever seen a horse getting trimmed & new shoes.

The farrier trims down the hoof because it grows-—much like your fingernails & toenails. YOU trim them, don’t you?

The outer wall of the hoof is usually pretty thick in a healthy horse. The horseshoe nails are driven into that outside wall-—not into any sensitive laminae which is behind the wall & closer to the interior of the hoof, sole, & frog.

The ‘hammering’ is onto the nail-—NOT onto the hoof.

Many ladies get ‘inserts’ onto their nails, like a pierced ear, and it doesn’t cause any pain. The correct farrier job does the same.

There already is a severe shortage of farriers in the USA. There are more horses in the USA now that before the tractors came along. IF these kinds of rules are implemented, horse owners will not be able to keep their horses healthy.

The horse industry in the USA is not a small business. Look up SOUTH POINT Center south of Las Vegas. It is a multi-million $$$$ facility which was built to accommodate horse events of all kinds. Why would anyone build such a facility if there was no use for it???

This kind of interference with horse owners is uncalled for.


46 posted on 02/06/2018 4:45:16 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Bodega

Well, income spread is large among pet owners. That’s part of why there is pet insurance. I spent several grand keeping a cat on life number 9 for several years over a decade ago. But I was a computer professional and could afford that too. R.I.P. Punkin.


47 posted on 02/06/2018 4:46:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: rey

All large organizations seek to expand their power and control, always. There are no exceptions. It is human nature. Clearly the Vets Association here is over-reaching, and will keep doing so, simply because they have to. They know nothing else, and are incapable of anything else.


48 posted on 02/06/2018 4:48:48 PM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: rey

Next these scum will demand that every dog have their nails trimmed on a set schedule, and only by Veterinarians.


49 posted on 02/06/2018 4:50:22 PM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: ought-six

I watched a farrier shaving down horse hooves. He was surrounded by the farm dogs. He’d slice off a hunk of hoof and the dogs would fight over it.


50 posted on 02/06/2018 4:51:35 PM PST by Rebelbase ( Hillary, DNC, DOJ and FBI colluded with a British National to influence the 2016 Pres. election)
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To: rey

It was inevitable once the authorities went after animal husbandry ...


51 posted on 02/06/2018 4:51:35 PM PST by x
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To: Bodega
I retired 1 January. Unless the foot was a complicated lameness I usually deferred the hoof to a farrier and he did the rest. Most lameness is found in the hoof. I certainly didn't wish to spend a day trimming and shoeing horses. Someone in the AVMA is lacking practical experience. There is a line between the farrier's job and a veterinarians that needs to be clearly delineated. As far as the veterinary profession is concerned, the academics are graduating way too many of them and there is a vet on every streetcorner now. Mississippi graduates around 80 a year in a state with 3 million population. New York graduates 120 a year and there are 8 million people in NYC alone. A town East of here with a 4K population has four veterinarians. The female vets work part time. Laymen make more money than do these veterinarians in these areas because of the glut.
52 posted on 02/06/2018 4:52:41 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: ridesthemiles

Horse owner’s don’t fit into Agenda 21.


53 posted on 02/06/2018 4:53:03 PM PST by Rebelbase ( Hillary, DNC, DOJ and FBI colluded with a British National to influence the 2016 Pres. election)
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To: ridesthemiles

I know it’s the horny nail. That comprises a part of the hoof that has no nerves. More curious than anything else whether something like a Helicoil or particle board furniture anchor would work too. No hammering, only drilling, tapping, and screwing. And the shoes would stay on more securely. It wouldn’t need a vet either.


54 posted on 02/06/2018 4:53:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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55 posted on 02/06/2018 4:56:05 PM PST by Jaxter (Si vis pacem para bellum.)
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To: Qiviut

Amen to that. good post.


56 posted on 02/06/2018 5:01:10 PM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: rey

The item lined out serves to say that farriers will no longer be exempt from the rules that prohibit the use of prescription medications by unlicensed individuals unless they are obtained from a licensed DVM for the specific horse. Originally, it was assumed that a farrier would obtain and use the prescription drugs they needed from a DVM they regularly worked with. Unfortunately, some found other ways to acquire prescription drugs for use on their customers’ horses -— which has led to some very poor outcomes. The idea of the change is to prevent a farrier from practicing medicine without a license.


57 posted on 02/06/2018 5:03:34 PM PST by LTC.Ret
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No -— the horse’e hoof is constantly growing out like fingernails.


58 posted on 02/06/2018 5:06:24 PM PST by LTC.Ret
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To: Daffynition

True that - a good point I neglected to mention!!


59 posted on 02/06/2018 5:07:20 PM PST by Qiviut (Obama's Legacy in two words: DONALD TRUMP)
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To: lastchance

Yes, they did, and several times it was in combination with further kicks at trying to shut down breeder and repro-tech activity, as I’d previously mentioned.

The repro-tech affected me most directly, because the idea was utterly LUDICROUS that a technician using an artificial vagina on a stallion was somehow ‘practicing veterinary medicine’.

But I know that some states have indeed shut down the animal massage and dental folks, and in a few cases forced them to try and get into vet college and get that DVM, just so they could continue doing what they’ve always done...


60 posted on 02/06/2018 5:07:23 PM PST by Kriggerel ("All great truths are hard and bitter, but lies... are sweeter than wild honey" (Ragnar Redbeard))
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