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To: Claud; aMorePerfectUnion; Elsie; metmom; Mom MD; Mrs. Don-o; Mark17; daniel1212; x_plus_one; ...
7“BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN,

AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED. 8“BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.” Romans 4:7-8 NASB

μακάριος ἀνὴρ οὗ οὐ μὴ λογίσηται Κύριος ἁμαρτίαν. Romans 4:8

The italicized words in greek are emphatic. It is strongly saying that the Lord will not take into account your sins.

The verb λογίσηται, is an aorist, subjunctive, middle verb.

The subjunctive is used in Greek to indicate potentiality.

In Greek, emphatic negation is indicated by οὐ μὴ plus the aorist subjunctive or sometimes the future indicative. This is the strongest way to negate something in Greek.

When combined with the subjunctive this denies a potentiality. (Daniel Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics, p468).

In this passage from John where Jesus is comforting Martha after Lazarus has died we see a beautiful example of this.

The bolded words are emphatic pronouns. The red and the underlined is the negation we've been discussing.

23 λέγει αὐτῇ ὁ Ἰησοῦς· ἀναστήσεται ὁ ἀδελφός σου. 24 λέγει αὐτῷ °ἡ Μάρθα· οἶδα ὅτι ἀναστήσεται ἐν τῇ ἀναστάσει ἐν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ. 25 εἶπεν αὐτῇ ὁ Ἰησοῦς· ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ἀνάστασις καὶ ἡ ζωή· ὁ πιστεύων εἰς ἐμὲ κἂν ἀποθάνῃ ζήσεται, 26 καὶ πᾶς ὁ ζῶν καὶ πιστεύων εἰς ἐμὲ οὐ μὴ ἀποθάνῃ εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα. πιστεύεις τοῦτο; 27 λέγει αὐτῷ· ναὶ κύριε , ἐγὼ πεπίστευκα ὅτι σὺ εἶ ὁ χριστὸς ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ θεοῦ ὁ εἰς τὸν κόσμον ἐρχόμενος.

23Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” 27She said to Him, “Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world.” John 11:23-27 NASB

Jesus is making a clear unequivocal promise to her that the one believing in Him will never, ever die. For the one believing this, their eternal security is rock solid.

Martha had been a believer as evidenced by her confession.

Like Martha, I believe in Him.

I'm taking Him at His word.

The question is.....do you believe the words of Jesus in v25-26?

486 posted on 01/30/2018 7:16:41 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

My lawless deeds are forgiven when I take them into the confessional and subject them to the power Christ gave to the Apostles: “whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, whose sins you retain, are retained”.

If you think yours are going to be forgiven without you humbling yourself before the Lord in the Sacrament of Confession or, at the very least, perfect contrition, then you are fatally deceiving yourself.

And do Christ’s words to Martha negate the parable of the Goats and the Sheep that if we do not do works of charity, we will not be saved? Do they negate the parable of the sower that grace can be lost and choked out by the cares of this world? Do they negate John 6 where Our Lord says flat out “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life within you”? Do they negate Paul’s “fear and trembling” lest after he preaches to others, he may himself still be lost?

You are basing your entire soteriology on one passage as if there weren’t any other. Christ’s words to Martha are part of the New Testament teaching on salvation, not the whole of it.


490 posted on 01/30/2018 9:17:28 AM PST by Claud
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To: ealgeone; Claud; aMorePerfectUnion; Elsie; metmom; Mom MD; Mrs. Don-o; Mark17; daniel1212; ...
7“BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED. 8“BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.” Romans 4:7-8 NASB μακάριος ἀνὴρ οὗ οὐ μὴ λογίσηται Κύριος ἁμαρτίαν. Romans 4:8 The italicized words in greek are emphatic. It is strongly saying that the Lord will not take into account your sins. The verb λογίσηται, is an aorist, subjunctive, middle verb. The subjunctive is used in Greek to indicate potentiality. In Greek, emphatic negation is indicated by οὐ μὴ plus the aorist subjunctive or sometimes the future indicative. This is the strongest way to negate something in Greek. When combined with the subjunctive this denies a potentiality. (Daniel Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics, p468). In this passage from John where Jesus is comforting Martha after Lazarus has died we see a beautiful example of this. The bolded words are emphatic pronouns. The red and the underlined is the negation we've been discussing. 23 λέγει αὐτῇ ὁ Ἰησοῦς· ἀναστήσεται ὁ ἀδελφός σου. 24 λέγει αὐτῷ °ἡ Μάρθα· οἶδα ὅτι ἀναστήσεται ἐν τῇ ἀναστάσει ἐν τῇ ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ. 25 εἶπεν αὐτῇ ὁ Ἰησοῦς· ἐγώ εἰμι ἡ ἀνάστασις καὶ ἡ ζωή· ὁ πιστεύων εἰς ἐμὲ κἂν ἀποθάνῃ ζήσεται, 26 καὶ πᾶς ὁ ζῶν καὶ πιστεύων εἰς ἐμὲ οὐ μὴ ἀποθάνῃ εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα. πιστεύεις τοῦτο; 27 λέγει αὐτῷ· ναὶ κύριε , ἐγὼ πεπίστευκα ὅτι σὺ εἶ ὁ χριστὸς ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ θεοῦ ὁ εἰς τὸν κόσμον ἐρχόμενος. 23Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” 27She said to Him, “Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world.” John 11:23-27 NASB Jesus is making a clear unequivocal promise to her that the one believing in Him will never, ever die. For the one believing this, their eternal security is rock solid. Martha had been a believer as evidenced by her confession. Like Martha, I believe in Him. I'm taking Him at His word. The question is.....do you believe the words of Jesus in v25-26?

Indeed: those who believe in the Lord Jesus for salvation by living faith will never realize the second death, though he will given an account for how he lived out his faith at the judgment seat of Christ.

And because the just shall live by faith, which purifies the heart in the washing of regeneration, (Acts 10:43; 15:8,9; Titus 3:5) Scripture warns believers as believers against having an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, drawing back unto perdition, back into bondage, making Christ of no effect, to no profit, falling from grace, etc., (Hebrews 3:12; Hebrews 10:38,39; Galatians 5:1-5) thus forfeiting what faith appropriated .

And which seems to be the sin of having "wickedly departed" (2 Samuel 22:22) from the Lord, which David could say he never did despite his sins, and having committing the "great transgression," (Psalms 19:13) which he prayed against, and thus being unable to repent, reprobate, (2 Corinthians 13:5; Hebrews 6:1-9)

Thus God works to chastens wayward members to repentance, unto "Godly sorrow" which "worketh repentance unto salvation" (2 Corinthians 7:10) lest they be condemned with the world, (1 Corinthians 11:32)​

501 posted on 01/30/2018 11:00:40 AM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: ealgeone
μακάριος ἀνὴρ οὗ οὐ μὴ λογίσηται Κύριος ἁμαρτίαν. Romans 4:8

The italicized words in greek are emphatic. It is strongly saying that the Lord will not take into account your sins.


Original Word: אָדָם

Short Definition: man


Original Word: ἀνήρ

Short Definition: a male human being, a man


Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

...

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

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Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

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This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; And having an high priest over the house of God; Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?


Psalms, Catholic chapter thirty two, Protestant verses one to two ,
Romans, Catholic chapter four, Protestant verses six to eight,
Jeremiah, Catholic chapter thirty one, Protestant verses thirty one to thirty four,
Hebrews, Catholic chapter ten, Protestant verses sixteen to twenty nine,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

553 posted on 01/30/2018 7:21:39 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ealgeone

Who authored this analysis of the Koine?


646 posted on 02/01/2018 12:23:17 AM PST by papertyger (Bulverism: it's not just for liberals anymore.)
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