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To: Elsie
Is the following still in force?: "One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved"

Absolutely. There is no salvation outside the Church. Period. Full stop.

But don't make erroneous assumptions about what "outside the Church" means. Just a few weeks ago was the feast of St. Emerentiana. She died a catechumen: she was never baptized. And of course the good thief was likely not baptized either. Were they members of the Church? Yes. Just not in the typical way.

And we have generally accepted the validity of heretics' Baptism, as long as there is proper form. If you are baptized Protestant you are by that very act incorporated into the Catholic Church....although of course just like any Catholic you can lose your salvation due to heresy, schism, etc.

440 posted on 01/29/2018 3:27:41 PM PST by Claud
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To: Claud
There is no salvation outside the Church.

Chapter & Verse in the Scriptures please.

[of course, it isn't there...]

442 posted on 01/29/2018 4:01:43 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Baron Trump, time-traveling back from the future, to help his dad fight the deep state.)
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To: Claud
If you are baptized Protestant you are by that very act incorporated into the Catholic Church....although of course just like any Catholic you can lose your salvation due to heresy, schism, etc.

Sorry your religion has to proselytize by pretending to use other faiths.

Sorry you can lose your salvation 🙁 in your chosen religion. How miserable.

As a believer in Christ, I am sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, seated in the heavenlies with Chist, held in His righteous hand and have salvation & eternal life now.

I used to be on the Roman Hamster Wheel of guilt, but was saved by the Savior and His marvelous grace.

443 posted on 01/29/2018 4:05:22 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Baron Trump, time-traveling back from the future, to help his dad fight the deep state.)
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To: Claud
And we have generally accepted the validity of heretics' Baptism, as long as there is proper form.

Well; I SURE don't wanna make any 'erroneous assumptions' about what proper form means; so I'll await your definition.

447 posted on 01/29/2018 5:14:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Claud

So; can I assume that you’ve just illustrated that a ‘proper form’ of baptism is what saves a person?


448 posted on 01/29/2018 5:16:01 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Claud
Absolutely. There is no salvation outside the Church. Period. Full stop.

There is no salvation outside of faith in Christ. You can be a member of a church but not be a follower of Christ.

If one does follow Christ one is a member of His ekklesia....not the Roman Catholic church....just the church of believers. That is what the church is.

And we have generally accepted the validity of heretics' Baptism, as long as there is proper form.

That's a pretty big change on the part of Roman Catholics considering non-Roman Catholics disagree with much of Roman Catholicism.

Not sure how you can say non-Roman Catholics are members of Roman Catholicism when we reject Roman Catholic beliefs.

I believe we come to Christ through faith alone. Roman Catholicism, at the Council of Trent, damned anyone for believing that.

I believe in Scripture alone. Roman Catholicism has also damned anyone for believing that.

I believe you cannot lose your salvation based on the promises of Christ. Roman Catholicism has damned that as well.

I do not believe Mary was sinless. Roman Catholicism has damned that as well.

I do not recognize the authority of the pope as claimed by Roman Catholicism.

I do not recognize the Mass as understood by Roman Catholicism.

I do not believe baptism is what saves you as does Roman Catholicism.

In light of all that, how do say a non-Roman Catholic can be a part of the RCC??

449 posted on 01/29/2018 5:42:27 PM PST by ealgeone
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