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The Dems want everything for free. Trumps is willing to gve them a lot, but is smart enough to want something in return: Build the wall.

Those who are here, OK, but no more.

1 posted on 01/25/2018 2:39:42 PM PST by Innovative
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Trump could offer full citizenship to all ~15 million illegals, chain migration, lottery immigration, and zero deportations in return for a border wall and security and the Democrats would reject it. The issue here is not the issue.


55 posted on 01/25/2018 4:43:54 PM PST by agatheringstorm
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Rigorously enforce current law for two years and then open discussions.


59 posted on 01/25/2018 4:56:08 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk (A Texas Deplorable.)
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I wonder if Trump is making a calculation, a risky one albeit, but a calculation that what he's asking for will never get enough votes to pass the senate.

If/when it fails, he can take that to the people and say he tried to negotiate but the (D)'s wanted only their way.

If it passes congress, he could always veto it if we melt the w.h. phone lines.

63 posted on 01/25/2018 5:04:57 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Trump lied to his voters. This voter will be sitting at home election day if he actually goes through with this citizenship and lunacy wall deal.


68 posted on 01/25/2018 5:20:48 PM PST by Uncle Sam 911
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Those who are here, OK, but no more.

Maybe you should tune in Tucker or Dobbs, the bill they are reporting on does none of that. What it will do is lose the House for sure and maybe the Senate, like Tokyo Rove did and over the same issue.

Chain migration does not end but limits to immediate family. Includes people that are not even in DACA.

I can hope the House or Senate will not for it.

69 posted on 01/25/2018 5:22:17 PM PST by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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Republicans won the government shut down war and gave it away two days later. How typical. This is Trump’s Read My Lips moment. If he lied to us, i am done with him, forever.


70 posted on 01/25/2018 5:22:51 PM PST by Uncle Sam 911
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“President Trump proposed legislation on Thursday that would provides a path to citizenship for as many as 1.8 million young, undocumented immigrants in exchange for an end to decades of family-based migration policies, a massive border wall and a vast crackdown on other illegal immigrants already living in the country.”

Don’t worry, folks.. he knows the dems will never go for it, because they have to give up far more than they’re willing. It won’t come to pass, but Trump can have the upper hand politically.


72 posted on 01/25/2018 5:37:49 PM PST by ScottinVA ( Liberals, go find another country.)
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“as nothing but .... attempt to rid the country of immigrants and slam shut the nation’s borders.”

Well...

DUH...


80 posted on 01/25/2018 6:41:16 PM PST by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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Those who are here, OK, but no more.

But that is NOT the plan. It's 1.8 million DACA people and their parents, and out with everyone else, far more than just the 40 million illegals currently here, on top of ending huge amounts of legal immigration that is even more insidious than the illegal variety---because we can't deport the bastards when we catch them!

85 posted on 01/25/2018 7:11:31 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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87 posted on 01/25/2018 7:17:16 PM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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Goodness, does this mean that conservatives must now hope that the Democrats will reject the deal?


88 posted on 01/25/2018 7:19:59 PM PST by Theodore R.
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From the article:

**White House officials said that the list of enhanced security measures — which have been on anti-immigration wish lists for decades — were nonnegotiable. They warned that if no deal is reached, DACA recipients will face deportation when the program fully expires on March 5.**


90 posted on 01/25/2018 7:24:58 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The President is not a politician, but he understands compromise better than any repub in recent memory. Compromise is a 2 way street - here’s what I want for you to get what you want. The rats are used to getting everything they want while giving up nothing. Quite refreshing.


95 posted on 01/25/2018 7:50:29 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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Trump - master nipple twister....Chucky ain’t gonna be getting any sleep until a lot are deported....


105 posted on 01/26/2018 2:43:58 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives......;-))
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"The Democrats REFUSED to protect your borders." - Every House GOP ad from Labor Day to Election Day. House stays GOP.

Downside: We ain't getting a Wall. It was a first-year item, all or nothing. It's clear the Swamp will slowwalk it to eternity as a sop to the RINO free labor addicts - just enough porous borders to mow your lawn...

106 posted on 01/26/2018 3:29:02 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Prosecute the win. Run up the score.)
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I’m willing to bet only 20% of DACAs will meet criteria for citizenship - and those that do, will be hard workers that will grow to hate taxes. I’m for a deal that looks like that.


107 posted on 01/26/2018 3:41:33 AM PST by 11th_VA
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The comments were surprisingly reasonable for the
NYT.


108 posted on 01/26/2018 3:55:45 AM PST by brianr10
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Any Conservative or Centrist that embraces a plan, that isn’t needed, that gives amnesty to 1.8 million people, who for the most part, hate this country, is a moron.

Through surrogates, the Left will challenge every single aspect of this deal and get injunctions from favorable courts. When that happens, the family members will be climbing the wall like the zombies did in World War Z.

Florida is already a done deal. That state will be forever, Blue, with all the recent folks from Puerto Rico. Georgia is close behind. South Carolina coming up. All due to illegal immigration and the ridiculous notion of, BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP.

This bill is an insult to every single person that voted for the President. Just when I thought he was going to actually do something, he pulls this bullsh*t. He doesn’t have to make any deal, whatsoever. DACA is deader than disco in March. End it.


110 posted on 01/26/2018 5:24:39 AM PST by qaz123
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I think if this is a bad deal, the House, as we can thank them before with the gang of 8 bill, will not allow this kind of legislation to pass. I’m still undecided.


113 posted on 01/26/2018 6:00:55 AM PST by BeadCounter
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This is incomplete and sloppy—doubt by Steve Miller. No mention, for example, eVerify! And how about some clarity about the other 30-60 million illegal aliens. No more catch-and-release, just arrest-and-deport? Those two points, plus a discussion about birthright citizenship are needed.


116 posted on 01/26/2018 7:25:27 AM PST by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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