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Trump Immigration Plan Demands Tough Concessions From Democrats
NY Times ^ | Jan. 25, 2018 | MICHAEL D. SHEAR and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

Posted on 01/25/2018 2:39:42 PM PST by Innovative

President Trump proposed legislation on Thursday that would provides a path to citizenship for as many as 1.8 million young, undocumented immigrants in exchange for an end to decades of family-based migration policies, a massive border wall and a vast crackdown on other illegal immigrants already living in the country.

Describing the plan as “extremely generous” but a take-it-or-leave-it proposal by the president, White House officials said they hoped it will be embraced by conservatives and centrists in Congress as the first step in an even broader effort to fix the nation’s broken immigration system.

But the plan — drafted by Stephen Miller, the president’s hard-line domestic policy adviser and John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff — was immediately rejected by Democrats, pro-immigration activists and some Republicans, with some describing it as nothing but a heartless attempt to rid the country of immigrants and slam shut the nation’s borders.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 115th; aliens; democrats; illegals; immigration; trump; trumpillegals
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To: Innovative

This is Trump bargaining. It’s the art of negotiation. He is giving them more than they asked for but in return, he is asking for something he knows they won’t give. That way he doesn’t have to give it and he wins the argument by being able to tell the country “I tried”


21 posted on 01/25/2018 3:47:56 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
Why is this the only way to get the wall?

Good question. My answer would be open border RINOs, like Graham, Rubio, McCain, Flake, etc etc. They really don't give a flying fig about culture, language and borders - and are happy to vote along with the openly America-hating Democrats. If America is transformed into Mexico it really doesn't concern them.

22 posted on 01/25/2018 3:48:22 PM PST by Dagnabitt
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To: tumblindice

Map needs updating.


23 posted on 01/25/2018 3:49:06 PM PST by Dagnabitt
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To: Innovative
Problem with the Trump/Miller critics is they have zero idea how to get 10m or so illegals out of the country without a wall. The fact is we need self-deportation and E-Verify will help, so that should be added to the list. But that's not going to get the lawn mowing guy to leave. Instead we build a wall and get no new lawn mowing guys.

I suppose some have in mind sending buses to the barrio and telling them to get in. Ridiculously expensive and will be useless without a wall.

24 posted on 01/25/2018 3:49:55 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: Innovative
It was immediately rejected by Democrats, pro-immigration activists and some Republicans,

So go a head and vote against it, I double dog dare you to vote against DACA and the kids.

If we pass this with a large majority of reps voting for it and a sizable majority of dems opposing it, it will completely destroy the notion that the dems support the immigrant community. The dems will pay a heavy price at the voting both. The reps will crow that they helped the DACA the dems would not.

But that pails in comparison to the damage they will inflect on themselves if DACA actually ends and DACA "kids" start being removed when the dems had a chance to stop it.

Tough choice you got their dems.

Game set match.

25 posted on 01/25/2018 3:51:33 PM PST by usurper ( version)
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To: tennmountainman
This will not go over well.

It is reality. We need a wall. Keeping 1.8m is a trade for the wall. In reality we will keep millions more because we can't practically deport, but at least once we have a wall we can start deporting if they are picked up.

26 posted on 01/25/2018 3:52:03 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: Innovative

... a heartless attempt to rid the country of immigrants...

A sincere attempt to rid the country of illegal aliens.


27 posted on 01/25/2018 3:52:35 PM PST by Sasparilla ( I'm Not Tired of Winning.)
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To: tumblindice

Why are Finland, Spain, Italy, the Czech Republic, Japan, and South Korea listed as shitholes?


28 posted on 01/25/2018 3:54:02 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; tumblindice

Oop, should have double-checked a map first. Finland isn’t listed as a shithole.


29 posted on 01/25/2018 3:57:38 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Because we need 60 votes in the Senate to pass it, is why.


30 posted on 01/25/2018 4:01:45 PM PST by Dave W
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To: Innovative

I wasn’t aware that the demonrats are in control of either the house or senate...

2 things that need to be done to save the patient called America.

‘Immigration reform’ and the restoration of the rule of law...treason trials and mass hangings on the national mall.

“Immigration reform”:

Build the wall, end chain migration, end anchor baby citizenship, deport 40 plus million illegal aliens and their anchor baby demon spawn and then have a 25-50 year moratorium on ALL immigration.

Only then will America have a chance at survival. Have a chance against the enemy within—the tyrannical anti-American crime syndicate known as the demoncrat party.


31 posted on 01/25/2018 4:02:58 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Obama voters killed America...Treat them accordingly.)
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To: Innovative

Bullcrap. Any “concession can and will be undone by the next Congress. Surreptitious “citizenship” will remain. America WILL die a slow, painful death if this treasonous proposal passes.


32 posted on 01/25/2018 4:05:04 PM PST by alstewartfan (Lines of coffee cups on parade. Soldiers for keeping the night away. Al Stewart in Delia's Gone)
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To: Dave W

If one looks at just the numbers it’s a trade to make legal path for 1.8 million vs. 20 - 25 million or more illegals and legal immigrants not here say over 10 years? It’s something to think about.


33 posted on 01/25/2018 4:05:41 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: tennmountainman

This is no deal .
It’s a Sell Out .

The Dems once they get the voters to insure a majority now then can reverse any laws
Trump writes .

Who cares about a wall since the Daca invaders are here already .


34 posted on 01/25/2018 4:06:07 PM PST by ncalburt
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To: Dave W

“Because we need 60 votes in the Senate to pass it, is why.”

Which is bullsh!t. It’s just a senate rule that McScrotum neck uses as an excuse to torpedo the legislation he doesn’t like.


35 posted on 01/25/2018 4:06:08 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Obama voters killed America...Treat them accordingly.)
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To: Dave W

Reconciliation rules can be tweaked with — the dems used to when they had the senate, so why don’t we?


36 posted on 01/25/2018 4:07:07 PM PST by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Flag burners can go screw -- I'm mighty PROUD of that ragged old flag)
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To: Red Steel

Repubs get to 60+ votes in the Senate in this election then they can call the shots.


37 posted on 01/25/2018 4:08:38 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

It’s no deal .

Once the Dems get the new voters which is 3.4 not 1.8
they win .

They flip 5 states from red to blue and game over .

They can rewrite any law Trump wrote .
They will break the 60 vote rule .

Why are we so naive .

Kill Daca .

Who cares but the Dem media and the Daca invaders .


38 posted on 01/25/2018 4:10:07 PM PST by ncalburt
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To: Electric Graffiti

How do we get Turtle to drop the 60 vote filibuster?


39 posted on 01/25/2018 4:10:27 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Go full alinsky on that mealy-mouthed stooge of the corrupt state. You know he’s compromised.

Dig up his past. Ridicule him. Hound his ass. Whatever it takes...It’s only America’s survival that is at stake.

It’s time to fight and fight dirty.


40 posted on 01/25/2018 4:17:27 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Obama voters killed America...Treat them accordingly.)
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