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To: Swordmaker

Given a legal, public court order or warrant, Apple should make the device accessible, same with other manufacturers. Doing business in the US is a privilege, not a right. With it comes some responsibility and accountability.


5 posted on 01/11/2018 10:44:31 PM PST by Reno89519 (PRESIDENT TRUMP, KEEP YOUR PROMISES! NO AMNESTY AND BUILD THAT WALL.)
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To: Reno89519

You haven’t followed this issue even in the most vague possible way I see.
Apple has always been willing to comply.

WITH A COURT ORDER.

It has been that pesky prerequisite court order that sticks in the FBI craw.


7 posted on 01/11/2018 10:54:10 PM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: Reno89519

The point is that Apple has no back door, and has no intention of creating one to satisfy the US government.


8 posted on 01/11/2018 10:55:07 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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To: Reno89519
Given a legal, public court order or warrant, Apple should make the device accessible, same with other manufacturers. Doing business in the US is a privilege, not a right. With it comes some responsibility and accountability.

What part of Apple does not have possession of the encryption key to unlock the devices do you fail to grasp?

Secondly, that train long ago left the station long ago, as there are hundreds of software apps in the Wild that can encrypt data which cannot be unlocked without the key held only by the owner of the data. We are talking Encryption which can take literally more time than there is left before the universe dies of heat death to try every possible key using brute force attempts, which is the only means available to unlock them without the proper mathematical key!

The next fact is that an encryption with any kind of backdoor is, by definition, not secure. History teaches us that every single time a backdoor has been provided into an encryption system, IT HAS BEEN COMPROMISED BY THE BAD GUYS. Every time. No exceptions. These are the same encryption techniques used to protect banking transactions. . . Do you want backdoor access on those?

Apple included this level of security because our government REQUESTED they do so for government and commercial use, to prevent our government and commercial secrets from being stolen. Now they’re complaining?

11 posted on 01/11/2018 11:08:19 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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To: Reno89519
Given a legal, public court order or warrant, Apple should make the device accessible, same with other manufacturers.

That's a naive statement, tantamount to endorsing the mandating of government backdoors into all of Apple's computing equipment—thus renders their privacy features utterly meaningless.

Doing business in the US is a privilege, not a right.

Correct. But Privacy is a Right. The State cannot reasonably outlaw the practice of mathematical computations.

With it [doing business in the US] comes some responsibility and accountability.

Sorry, you'll have to take these complaints up with God—the Designer of the Universe.

You can't simply criminalize entire branches of mathematics and computation just because decryption is difficult.

God made the Universe this way, and Man made the Fourth Amendment—which protects an unalienable Right to Privacy.

13 posted on 01/11/2018 11:12:40 PM PST by sargon ("If the President doesn't drain the Swamp, the Swamp will drain the President.")
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To: Reno89519

where in the constituency does it say we need a federal secret police ?

the FBI is way out of line here. The FBI is a rouge agency and should be disbanded.

drain the swamp


25 posted on 01/12/2018 1:19:15 AM PST by vooch (America First Drain the Swamp as)
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To: Reno89519

“Doing business in the US is a privilege, not a right. With it comes some responsibility and accountability.”

The 4th Amendment is a Right, not a privilege.

It comes down to Law.


36 posted on 01/12/2018 6:19:21 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Reno89519
Doing business in the US is a privilege, not a right

Really? So, an American should have to ask the government for permission to go into business?

Are you sure you're on the right site?

Given a legal, public court order or warrant, Apple should make the device accessible, same with other manufacturers.

No. Apple should not be required be law, which is what it would take, to make their product's security purposefully weak, just to please the feral government. Some of are quite happy with the security of Apple products, and prefer them to stay that way. It's not even particularly government criminals that I'm particularly worried about, but rather your garden variety criminal without the power of the state behind him, who might steal my phone and then use the information contained therein for nefarious purposes, such as identity theft among other things.

37 posted on 01/12/2018 6:42:34 AM PST by zeugma (I always wear my lucky red shirt on away missions!)
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To: Reno89519

I disagree. The government has no given right to be able to access everything anytime they want.

Let them get a warrant for each and every individual device they want to get into and put an end to this surveillance state that was used to try to overthrow our last Presidential election.

Our surveillance state is too dangerous and too powerful to trust.


40 posted on 01/12/2018 8:49:22 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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