Joe Arpaio: Obama's birth certificate is a 'phony document'

CNN ^ | 1/11/2018 | Sophie Tatum

[Elderberry]

Controversial former Sheriff Joe Arpaio on Wednesday called former President Barack Obama's birth certificate a "phony document" in an interview on CNN.

"No doubt about it, we have the evidence, I'm not going to go into all the details, yeah, it's a phony document," Arpaio said on "Cuomo Primetime."

Arpaio announced Tuesday that he is running for the Arizona US Senate seat currently occupied by Sen. Jeff Flake, who is retiring from Congress at the end of his term.

He was a staunch supporter of President Donald Trump during the campaign, and was pardoned by the President in August. The former Maricopa County sheriff was convicted for defying a court order to stop racially profiling Latinos, and he has been widely criticized for his hard-line stances on immigration.

Arpaio has touted "birtherism" in the past, and, when speaking to CNN's Chris Cuomo on Wednesday evening, said he has proof that Obama's birth certificate is fake.

"We have the evidence, nobody will talk about it, nobody will look at it, and anytime you want to come down or anybody we'll be glad to show you the evidence," Arpaio said.

Cuomo pressed Arpaio again on the topic: "So you believe that President Obama's birth certificate is a phony?"

"No doubt about it," Arpaio said.

[thecodont]

He’s right.

[Tellurian]

IIRC, your FR About page used to have local photos, and references to Ian T. I assume you know something about that locale.

Anna Obama lived in Seattle in 1961. What months I don’t know. How long has free health care been available in Canada? Is it possible for an American citizen to have engaged in birth tourism, to the city one is sent to when Hell is not enough punishment, in 1961?

[wintertime]

Re: Arpaio running

Yep! This may be the reason he is running. Every time he is interviewed he will broadcast the **fact** that Obama posted forgeries.

I hope he doesn’t find himself dead like Scalia. I personally will pray for his safety.

[wintertime]

Regardless of the consequences or non-consequences Truth should be pursued.

[CMAC51]

The country is fractured over the results of a completely legitimate election. You are denying reality if you think proving Obama a fraud wouldn’t be 100 times worse.

[thecodont]

Thanks for the ping!

[Appletown USA]

Yes a musoloid POC!

[GBA]

Wow! As usual, lots of trolls here who want the obama birth certificate forgery dropped and no longer talked about!

No doubt they want all of the obama and the Clinton Crime Family crimes and offenses dropped and never talked about again, too!

Evil wins when good people do nothing and what we have become are a bunch of snowflakes, traitors and fools who simply can’t be bothered.

This is what “our” side is saying? “Not only have they won, so let’s just get over it, we can’t beat them, ever not even with evidence. So, let’s just let them win, ‘kay?”

[Hot Tabasco]

The truth lies sealed in his college records..........Release the records, reveal the truth.

[David]

This exchange simply did not happen. No one looked harder than I for this when the rumor first appeared. I am not going to get into it too much at this point in my life but think about these points. Keyes hated Zippo and I am sure would have remembered the exchange. There was an audience and personnel present and no one remembered the exchange. And at that point in time who was aware of his heritage? And if Keyes knew of heritage he would not of let it go. Just a few off the top of my head.

To the contrary, Keyes made a number of specific attacks on Barry's birth issues. His initial argument was that Barry was not eligible to the Senate seat because Barry was not a citizen at all.

If he was born in Kenya as he often said he was, his father Obama Senior; his mother Stanley Ann Dunham; he would not have been a citizen of the United States at birth. Citizenship, not necessarily at birth, is a required element of eligibility to sit in the Senate.

Over the years, we accumulated a number of affidavits from people who attended campaign coffee hours in Illinois at which Barry said he was born in Kenya.

Legally, statements against interest are admissible evidence in a court proceeding. And in fact, those statements are the only admissible evidence in existence of the place of Barry's birth.

People who do know where Barry was born know that he was not born in Kenya; but the citizenship constraints which would have been applicable had he been born in Kenya are applicable wherever he might have been born outside the US.

Stanley Ann was not yet 19 when Barry was born. So had she been his mother, as the legend would have it, she could not have met the five years after 14 requirement of the citizenship statute to pass citizenship at birth to Barry in a birth outside the US.

If the facts instead were a father who was a long term US Citizen; and the mother was a citizen of Great Britain with no citizenship claim or connection with the US, Barry also loses a citizenship claim with a birth in Canada. Didn't help his claim in any way that he had ten or twelve first cousins living in the Seattle area.

[David]

The De Facto Officer Doctrine is well established and legitimizes decisions made by someone later found to be holding office improperly. There’s no doubt.

The de facto officer doctrine confers validity upon acts performed by a person acting under the color of official title even though it is later discovered that the legality of that person’s appointment or election to office is deficient. Norton v. Shelby County, 118 U.S. 425, 440 (1886). “The de facto doctrine springs from the fear of the chaos that would result from multiple and repetitious suits challenging every action taken by every official whose claim to office could be open to question, and seeks to protect the public by insuring the orderly functioning of the government despite technical defects in title to office.” 63A Am. Jur. 2d, Public Officers and Employees § 578, pp. 1080-1081 (1984)

You need to look a little more closely at the case law than Am Jur in order to understand the limitations on the operation of the doctrine.

The doctrine does not apply if the officer is not eligible to hold the office as distinguished from situations where the defect in the claim of authority is attributable to the election or installation process.

I have not looked at the question with respect to the Senate seat. The requirement for a senator simply is that he be a citizen of the state he seeks to represent. You might assume that is an eligibility test which implies a requirement of citizenship in the US to be a citizen of the state but it is not as clear as the Article II Section 1 eligibility requirement for the President.

And with luck, the return on a conclusive Court decision holding Barry was never eligible to serve as President diminishes fairly rapidly now.

Many of his acts in office were legal even if he was not the President. Lots of legislation would have become law even if he had not signed it. Some of his foreign policy acts were signed off by Joe Biden at the insistence of Mrs. Clinton, based on the Constitutional Law opinions of her husband. (If Barry was not the President on eligibility grounds, Joe was acting President under the Constitution.)

The real return on a decision that he was not eligible would be elimination of Sotomayor and Kegan from the Court. Sotomayor has a health problem that is likely to eliminate her fairly soon. Kegan has some other vulnerabilities--when she is gone, most of Barry's legislative record is gone also; no one will care.

The entire affair is just another part of the sordid history of public administration of the United States in the twenty-first century.

[LucyT]

GregNH posted: This exchange simply did not happen. No one looked harder than I for this when the rumor first appeared. I am not going to get into it too much at this point in my life but think about these points. Keyes hated Zippo and I am sure would have remembered the exchange. There was an audience and personnel present and no one remembered the exchange. And at that point in time who was aware of his heritage? And if Keyes knew of heritage he would not of let it go. Just a few off the top of my head.

David's Reply: To the contrary, Keyes made a number of specific attacks on Barry's birth issues. His initial argument was that Barry was not eligible to the Senate seat because Barry was not a citizen at all.

If he was born in Kenya as he often said he was, his father Obama Senior; his mother Stanley Ann Dunham; he would not have been a citizen of the United States at birth. Citizenship, not necessarily at birth, is a required element of eligibility to sit in the Senate.

Over the years, we accumulated a number of affidavits from people who attended campaign coffee hours in Illinois at which Barry said he was born in Kenya.

Legally, statements against interest are admissible evidence in a court proceeding. And in fact, those statements are the only admissible evidence in existence of the place of Barry's birth.

People who do know where Barry was born know that he was not born in Kenya; but the citizenship constraints which would have been applicable had he been born in Kenya are applicable wherever he might have been born outside the US.

Stanley Ann was not yet 19 when Barry was born. So had she been his mother, as the legend would have it, she could not have met the five years after 14 requirement of the citizenship statute to pass citizenship at birth to Barry in a birth outside the US.

If the facts instead were a father who was a long term US Citizen; and the mother was a citizen of Great Britain with no citizenship claim or connection with the US, Barry also loses a citizenship claim with a birth in Canada. Didn't help his claim in any way that he had ten or twelve first cousins living in the Seattle area.

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[doug from upland]

The item that still is a problem is the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspaper. Could the mother have been smart enough to place the announcement so that everyone would believe he was a citizen at birth.

Has anyone tracked down how a birth announcement is placed in the newspaper there? Does the hospital do reporting or can the paper simply take the word of someone over the phone?

[wintertime]

Re: Announcement over the phone

They take birth announcements over the phone in the town I recently moved from. We saw announcements of out of state and out of county births routinely.

And....There is evidence that the birth announcement was cut and pasted and forged.

[wintertime]

Yep! Makes me sick.

[wintertime]

Truth must be defended no matter how inconvenient.

[bgill]

Now, now, butter, you’re just a vexatious requestor.

IIRC, someone said the seal was faked.

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/third-hawaiian-official-denies.html “Former senior elections clerk, Tim Adams, became the third of current or former Hawaiian officials bearing intimate knowledge about Obama’s natal documentation to formally indicate that the Aloha State does not possess an original, 1961 birth certificate documenting the natural-born citizenship of Barack Obama. Adams says Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii, but he does not know where else Obama might have been born because there is no original documentation showing his attested birthplace.”

Also, Gov. Pothead Abercrombie swore “he was there.” Swore he was there when Sr. met Stanley on a library bench. Swore he knew all about the miraculous birth when none of Sr.’s friends at the East West Univ. had ever known he knew Stanley Ann or they’d had a baby. Swore he was there to see Barry play t-ball even when it’s documented Barry was in Jakarta at the time he’d be old enough to play. Swore he’d find the real honest to goodness long form BC when elected governor but only to mumble something shortly after about it being scribbled in a margin of a book somewhere.

[bgill]

He’s right. No one will listen. About three cases were kicked out of court. Remember all the shuffle and hide just to get on the docket?

[bgill]

if what is in Obama’s passport file can be proven to be fake because Obama has no legally-valid HI BC, that would compel an investigation of how the fake/sanitized documents were placed in Obama’s passport file - which leads directly to John Brennan, who is one of the vilest Deep State critters there is.

I posted a thread back whenever concerning one of the passport folk, Quarles Harris, who's mama said his murder had never been investigated. So, add Comey and Mueller to that muzzie Brennan FBI Deep State critters list.

[bgill]

The issue is far from dead. If they let it happen once, they’ll make it happen again.