Posted on 12/11/2017 4:43:18 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Hard to justify?? Hard?? Upstate is hemorrhaging taxpayers, jobs, House seats. It’s a freaking ghost town.
Experts? This is the problem with the swamp. What do the local citizens want?
Strikes me odd that this is one of the few legitimate rationals for government and no one in that field wants to do projects, and when they do it’s for BS like scenic roads and parks. In Boston it was simple - fix the traffic or kill off a city.
Traffic? We wish. But when you’ve got jobs and taxpayers fleeing the state, where in perdition do you think traffic is gonna come from? Pass through. Probably. Then it still ducks to be us. These morons are spending $10 mil of OPM on a local airport, for instance. Will that increase usage? Nope. Why? Because tickets are too damned expensive and flight selection is too limited. $10 mil down a rat hole.
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Chattanooga needs a bypass. Baton Rouge needs a bypass. Atlanta and Charlotte need... something.
Here is a pop quiz:
In what year did Syracuse start losing population?
The answer can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse,_New_York
Catch the falling knife!
Is Syracuse big enough to need or justify a tunnel?
A by pass would segregate through traffic from local traffic
NYS has been losing House seats for decades, since the 40s.
“Hey, da union tinks dis project oughta go forward - ya got dat, Mr. Cuomo?” :)
Bloody Upstate isn’t big enough.
I am trying to locate on maps exactly where in Syracuse is this 1.4 mile elevated section of I-81. Maps I find don’t have it marked. Anyone know its location?
One rush hour in Pittsburgh should disabuse anyone of the notion of building tunnels.
Some commutes require you to go through TWO tunnels.
They are always a bottleneck. For assorted psychological
reasons people slow WAY DOWN when entering a tunnel.
There already is a bypass. It's called Route 481. Obviously it's longer, but it gets you past the city without ever going through it.
The long-term problem is salt, massive amounts of which get dumped on the highway during the winter to keep the highways passable when it snows.
That's what has caused the current overpass system to rot out. They do lots of maintenance on it every year. Right now, there's a major construction project on 690, the elevated highway that crosses I-81 in Syracuse.
A tunnel system would have a salt problem too. They'd have to use it even in the winter, at least at the entrances.
Perhaps re-building the whole elevated system with stainless steel might work.
You can click on this link to see it.
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Great. Thanks. I can use Oakwood Cemetery and Syracuse University as landmarks.
It also shows how much the density of occupied land surrounding it makes pols ask engineers if they can’t just go under it all.
Frankly, I was never a fan of the Interstates ever themselves going into or through the heart of major cities, preferring Interstate “ring” roads around major city cores with just major blvd exits off of them. It would have avoided all the truck freight traffic that wants to bypass the city core competing with business/personal traffic that actually wants to get into or out of the core area. As one who has done some long distance car travel there too I have cursed the travel delays stuck on some Interstate in the core of a major city I had no intention of stopping in. To me having Interstates running directly through major city cores defeats the idea of an Interstate - easier LONG DISTANCE travel - which does not necessarily meaning stopping in every major city along a given path.
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Hard to justify?? Hard?? Upstate is hemorrhaging taxpayers, jobs, House seats. It’s a freaking ghost town
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Hard to justify = govt can’t shoe-horn it into the process to hide the theft, graft and kick-backs that normally occur in *anything* govt\unions\transportation.
‘Unintended’ consequences and cost to taxpayers?? What’s that matter in the grand-scheme of things?
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