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Experts see few reasons to proceed with Interstate 81 tunnel option
The Syracuse Post-Standard ^ | December 8, 2017 | Mark Weiner

Posted on 12/11/2017 4:43:18 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: i_robot73; vooch; BobL

vooch has a solution for that. However, only time will tell if such a thing would actually work. Transportation is a hard thing to solve with free markets, for some reason.


21 posted on 12/11/2017 10:06:43 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Women prefer men with money and muscles. DUH!)
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To: Wuli

My idea would be to rename I-481 around Syracuse as I-81 and widen it to six lanes. At the same time, the original I-81 would become I-81 business (with the green shields instead of RWB) and then the viaduct would be replaced by a boulevard, which was one of the ideas originally being considered.

The widening of the new I-81 route would be to accommodate through traffic that would now desire to speed around the city.


22 posted on 12/11/2017 10:11:08 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Women prefer men with money and muscles. DUH!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

My tax dollars at work. Two million dollars to study an idiotic idea that makes no sense whatsoever on any level other than make-work for the unions. The point of this tunnel would be....what? For better traffic flow thru Syracuse? You can already go around it on I-481. I pass thru here quite often. The few extra minutes on 481 vs. 81 are insignificant and negligible, altho I can’t speak for ‘rush-hour’ traffic on either. And $4.5-billion & 10-years to complete really means $6-billion and 15 years. The I-81 / Route 17 interchange in Binghamton has been under construction over 6 years now without an end in sight. That’s a freekin’ nightmare on weekends when the snowflakes go back to school.


23 posted on 12/11/2017 10:14:12 AM PST by wny
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To: Wuli

Also, with such a plan, the I-81/I-481 interchange north of the city would need to be modified. Right now, it is a substandard four-leaf clover. High speed connectors between I-81 (future I-81 Business), I-481 (future I-81) and perhaps NY-481 as well would be needed to replace that configuration.


24 posted on 12/11/2017 10:14:54 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Women prefer men with money and muscles. DUH!)
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To: wny

See #22 and #24 for my solution to the problem.

As for tunnels, think Big Dig or that Bertha tunneling machine mess in Seattle.


25 posted on 12/11/2017 10:16:55 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Women prefer men with money and muscles. DUH!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"and require $10 million a year to operate"

to be paid for by, who...

26 posted on 12/11/2017 10:24:27 AM PST by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: Wuli

Syracuse’s rush hours last minutes. This isn’t about efficiency. It’s about work for union labor.


27 posted on 12/11/2017 10:27:10 AM PST by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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To: Chode

Us, silly, who else? :-(


28 posted on 12/11/2017 10:57:40 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Women prefer men with money and muscles. DUH!)
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Oh, just great . . .

Our view: Tunnel may be the best option for I-81 through Syracuse (12/6)

29 posted on 12/11/2017 10:58:39 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Women prefer men with money and muscles. DUH!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
wonderful...
30 posted on 12/11/2017 11:01:47 AM PST by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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Transportation is a hard thing to solve with free markets, for some reason.
>

Maybe because we haven’t anything resembling a Free Market for some time


31 posted on 12/12/2017 4:46:45 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Love this part....

Yes, $3.6 billion is a lot of money, but the federal government can be expected to cover about 80 percent of it.

Expected, huh? Put your expectations in one hand...

As for any remainder, NYS is $4 bil in the hole.

We don't have the expletives-deleted money.

32 posted on 12/12/2017 4:51:35 AM PST by mewzilla (Was Obama surveilling John Roberts? Might explain a lot.)
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