Posted on 12/02/2017 11:16:09 AM PST by GonzoII
Soldiers from the U.S. Army’s iconic 101st Airborne Division out of Fort Campbell, Kentucky, were the first to field the new M17 pistol this week.
The era of the Beretta-made M9 for Army leaders is over with the introduction of Sig Sauer’s new Modular Handgun System. A select group of soldiers tested M17s on Monday.
Roughly 2,000 pistols were inventoried and inspected prior to the demonstration.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
I have no idea - but I just came across this sentence while reading a Wikipedia review of the M17...
“The ammunition chosen to go with the pistol is a “Winchester jacketed hollow point” round.”
Thank you!
The misinformation on hollow point ammo is everywhere. I’m glad the US has finally moved past FMJ—JHP is less dangerous and more effective in a modern pistol.
I’m still not clear about which caliber the military chose.
9mm, .40, or .45?
Thanks for clearing this up.
I don’t understand. How is this pistol more “modular” than a 1911? For decades people have taken their 1911 45s and dropped-in after-market parts by Wilson or other companies.
With John M. Browning’s weapon one can insert an extended magazine, up grade sights using existing dovetail slot, drop in an extended ported barrel, easily replace the nice flat thumb safety with an extended one for match competition, and many more easy modifications.
The trigger was mentioned, as well as the addition of the laser. And, iirc, left or right ejection, lighter materials, etc. Maybe a round or two more in the magazine
Shoulder to shoulder firing, it was faster with better grouping.
News to me! The Army reserve the right to use hollow points.
“...A grey area of international law has always been the treatment of irregular fighters. The Great Powers did not appreciate participation by non-nation state actors in their conflicts. At the 1899 Hague Conference, the Martens Clause determined that non-uniformed insurgents were unlawful combatants subject to execution on capture. This means that according to Hague, the laws of warfare do not apply to guerrillas. pirates and terrorists.
“....The Army has long reserved the right to use hollow points “where it saw a need.” Specified Army commands, Military Police, and Special Mission Units, have been issued hollow points in the past.....”
The platform can be changed from 9mm to 40sw to 357sig. It just requires a barrel magazine, and slide swap.
Barnes 115 gr TAC-XPD +P or the new Winchester 147 gr Ranger T-Series are fine in 9mm, even in short barrel weapons.
Both expand to .70 or more in 9mm and penetrate through outer winter garments, and then remain where you want them. Gel tests out of both my 226 and 938 confirmed that. The ranger 147 was especially good in the 938.
I was always a .45 shooter, but am now 73 and want something I know I can still control 20 years from now (except Mrs. Strac of course, where there was never a chance of any control by me... not that is it needed....)
Check out the tests at https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mm
Great video of the expanding wound channels for both at that website.
Be well.
At least it’s not pink.
Sounds plausible to me. Thanks for the info.
(Can always get good intel from Freepers)
Nope
Only for those countries that are part of the Geneva Convention. It does not cover terrorists.
Totally agree with you on shot placement, even a .22LR between the running lights will drop a bad guy. I just like the little extra stopping power of a .40 or .45. That’s all I’m saying
General Nguyen Ngoc Loan Executing a Viet Cong Prisoner in Saigon is a photograph taken by Eddie Adams on 1 February 1968. It shows South Vietnamese National Police Chief Nguyễn Ngọc Loan executing a Việt Cộng captain of an insurgent team Nguyễn Văn Lém (referred to as Captain Bảy Lốp), in Saigon during the Tet Offensive.
Around 4:30 A.M., Lém led a sabotage unit along with Viet Cong tanks to attack the Armor Camp in Go Vap. After communist troops took control of the base, Lém arrested Lieutenant Colonel Nguyen Tuan with his family and forced him to show them how to drive tanks. When Lieutenant Colonel Tuan refused to cooperate, Lém killed Tuan, his wife and six children and his 80-year-old mother by cutting their throats. There was only one survivor, a seriously injured 10-year-old boy.
Lém was captured near a mass grave with 34 civilian bodies. Lém admitted that he was proud to carry out his unit leader's order to kill these people. Having personally witnessed the murder of one of his officers along with that man's wife and three small children in cold blood, when Lém was captured and brought to him, General Loan summarily executed him using his sidearm, a .38 Special Smith & Wesson Model 38 "Bodyguard" revolver, in front of AP photographer Eddie Adams and NBC News television cameraman Võ Sửu. The photograph and footage were broadcast worldwide, galvanizing the anti-war movement.
The execution appalled many people, but was most likely legal as Lém was acting like a "franc-tireur". According to Article 4 of the Third Geneva Convention of 1949, irregular forces are entitled to prisoner of war status provided that they are commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates, have a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry arms openly, and conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war. If they do not meet all of these, they may be considered francs-tireurs (in the original sense of "illegal combatant") and punished as criminals in a military jurisdiction, which may include summary execution. Lém had murdered a POW and civilians thus violating the rules of war. He was not marked by any identifiable marker showing that he was a legal combatant.
The photo won Adams the 1969 Pulitzer Prize for Spot News Photography, though he later regretted its effect. The image became an anti-war icon. Concerning Loan and his famous photograph, Adams wrote in Time:
"The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world. People believe them, but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths. What the photograph didn't say was, "What would you do if you were the general at that time and place on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away one, two or three American soldiers?"
Adams later apologized in person to General Loan and his family for the damage it did to his reputation. When Loan died of cancer in Virginia, Adams praised him: "The guy was a hero. America should be crying. I just hate to see him go this way, without people knowing anything about him."
care to test it with mine? you stand 20 feet away and charge at me. we will measure the amount of space left between us , my feet and your body.
Controlling your shots is always important, I have a little .22LR for my better half. it’s right there next to her night stand. I wouldn’t want to get in a shoot out with her when she got that little bugger, I’ve seen her shoot it too many times.It’s great for interior home defense because it won’t penetrate too many walls and hit the grandkids
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