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Democrat Doug Jones: Second Amendment Has ‘Limitations,’ Wants ‘Smart’ Gun Laws
Breitbart ^ | 20 Nov 2017 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 11/20/2017 7:45:10 AM PST by Cheerio

Doug Jones, the Democrat running for Alabama’s U.S. Senate seat, says he loves to hunt but the Second Amendment has “limitations.”

He believes that every right enumerated in the Bill of Rights is limited, and the Second Amendment is no exception.

According to the Alabama Political Reporter, Jones described himself as “a Second Amendment guy,” but stressed that some gun control is necessary. He said, “We’ve got limitations on all constitutional amendments in one form or another.” This position is contrary to the clear language of the amendment, which states that the right to keep and bear arms “shall not be infringed.”

He stressed that he loves to hunt but still believes in “smart” gun laws.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; alabama; banglist; constitution; douchejones; dougjones; guns; roymoore
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To: BenLurkin

“Smart” means my way because it advances my agenda.

(”Smart” is also becoming a favored marketing term that is used in advertising and sales pitches. It implies being better than something else, but what it really means is a more profitable product for the company.)


21 posted on 11/20/2017 8:00:50 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Cheerio

Progressives have always viewed the Bill of Rights as an impediment to efficient government, rather than as a barrier to tyranny. In the late 19th Century, Progressives were honest about this, but it’s no less true today.


22 posted on 11/20/2017 8:05:00 AM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Cheerio
Damn, this guy is trying to lose! Promotes his abortion till birth position, restricting the 2nd amendment, etc. Those positions will not fly in Alabama!
23 posted on 11/20/2017 8:05:14 AM PST by martinidon
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To: sourcery
11 Because the Second Amendment is prefaced by the Militia Clause, it forces the interpretation of the "arms" which individuals have the uninfringeable right to keep and bear to specifically include those which would be useful in defense of "the security of a free state." In other words, military grade weapons.

And SCOTUS ruled exactly that, in US vs. Miller.

Then how do you reconcile the 1934 National Firearm Act with the SCOTUS Miller decision?

24 posted on 11/20/2017 8:07:17 AM PST by MacNaughton (" ...it is better to die on the losing side than to live under Communism." Whitaker Chambers)
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To: Cheerio

He’s saying this in Alabama? Sounds like he wants to lose - bigly.


25 posted on 11/20/2017 8:07:30 AM PST by MayflowerMadam ( "Freedom is not free; Free men are not equal, and Equal men are not free". Richard Berkeley Cotten)
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To: Dr. Sivana

"...running ads here that don’t identify him as a Democrat..."


That seems to be the new thing everywhere.
Saturate an area with campaign signs without a party listed and hope people pull voting levers based on name recognition.
Even glossy mail literature has things like “favors clean drinking water” and similar statements *anyone* could say.


26 posted on 11/20/2017 8:11:31 AM PST by Blue Jays ( Rock hard ~ Ride free)
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To: MacNaughton

“In reality, Ragon was in favor of the gun control law and ruled the law unconstitutional because he knew that Miller, who was a known bank robber and had just testified against the rest of his gang in court, would have to go into hiding as soon as he was released. He knew that Miller would not pay a lawyer to argue the case at the Supreme Court and would simply disappear. Therefore, the government’s appeal to the Supreme Court would be a sure win because Miller and his attorney would not even be present at the argument....

...Gun rights advocates claim this case as a victory because they interpret it to state that ownership of weapons for efficiency or preservation of a well-regulated militia unit of the present day is specifically protected. Furthermore, such advocates frequently point out that short-barreled shotguns ( with 20 inch barrels) have been commonly used in warfare, and the statement made by the judges indicates that they were not made aware of this.

Because the defense did not appear, there was arguably no way for judges to know otherwise.

Two of the justices involved in the decision had prior military experience, Justice Black as a Captain in the field artillery during World War I and Justice Frankfurter as a Major in the Army legal service; however, there is no way to know if they were personally aware of the use of shotguns by American troops. During World War I, between 30,000 and 40,000 short-barreled pump-action shotguns were purchased by the US Ordnance Department and saw service in the trenches and for guarding German prisoners.

Some argue that fundamental issues related to the case were never truly decided because the Supreme Court remanded the case to the federal district court for “further proceedings” that never took place — by the time of the Supreme Court decision, Miller had been killed and Layton made a plea bargain after the decision was handed down, so there were no claimants left to continue legal proceedings...”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Miller

Odd case. Frankly, it was an embarrassment to the US to have a Supreme Court case where only one side showed up for the arguments...


27 posted on 11/20/2017 8:17:54 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Cheerio
Also agressive on "He opposes what the vast majority of Americans favor: restrictions on late-term abortion."

Jones is a Progressive i.e., the Democrat Party is drained of real Democrats replacing those people with Progressive/Far Left thinkers.

The Democrats have been replaced by Liberal members of the (DSA)

Also prefer (CPUSA) to a Constitutional America...

Then there is "The Third Way", which they say, is a renewal of Social Democracy which is a form of Socialism, a weaker form of Communism which uses the name of Social Justice.

Jones does not want the Constitution written or anything near like this Constitution. as a matter of fact by whatever name the Progressive Party goes by, they don't want our Constitution getting in their way. Muddled enough for you?

28 posted on 11/20/2017 8:18:00 AM PST by yoe
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To: MacNaughton
Then how do you reconcile the 1934 National Firearm Act with the SCOTUS Miller decision?

An honest person can't. That requires a deomcRat judge.

29 posted on 11/20/2017 8:22:19 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The now US Senator Jon Tester (D-MT) was another “stealth candidate” that slipped in the back door in 2006 when the incumbent Republican, Conrad Burns, was tied to the imfamous Jack Abramoff scandal, under a cloud of “culture of corruption” all Democrats were running on that year. Always “virtuous”, Tester never articulated his political positions beyond “I’m not Republican”, which seemed to play well that year. All his other positions were kept well concealed, except when you examine the voting record, where he proved to be plenty liberal.

In 2012, with Karl Rove carrying the water for Republican Senate candidate Danny Rehberg, Tester squeaked by in a close contest that by rights should not have been decided for him, but again Tester ducked into the bland mode, concealing most of his record and again saying “I’m not a Republican”. Karl Rove gives such good advice and guidance, it makes you wonder how deep in the Swamp Rove dwells.

Doug Jones may have made a strategic error on openly pushing for gun control in a state like Alabama, where there are “deplorables” that cling to their guns and their Bibles.

Judge Roy Moore was once known as “Captain America” for his devotion to duty, honor and country.


30 posted on 11/20/2017 8:23:49 AM PST by alloysteel (The rhetorical question, "How stupid can you be?" is just considered to be a challenge by some.)
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To: Puppage; Cheerio; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; AZ .44 MAG; ...
"The 2A has NOTHING to do with hunting.....idiot." - FReeper Puppage

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31 posted on 11/20/2017 8:29:05 AM PST by PROCON (Blaming natural weather on climate change as a rationale for redistribution of wealth is theft)
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To: Mr Rogers
...and the statement made by the judges indicates that they were not made aware of this.

My take is that the judge could not assume facts that were not presented into evidence before the court. Of course that would not be an issue for many modern SCOTUS judges.

32 posted on 11/20/2017 8:30:14 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Cheerio

Jones is going to lose by 25-35%!


33 posted on 11/20/2017 8:35:10 AM PST by DarthVader ("These lying tyrants are about to get hit with a tsunami of destruction on their evil reign." Gaffer)
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To: Cheerio
... he loves to hunt but still believes in “smart” gun laws

My preference would be to have some smart legislators, but that's just me.

34 posted on 11/20/2017 8:50:14 AM PST by ken in texas
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To: Cheerio

A smart gun is one smart enough to go “bang” when the trigger is pulled. If a gun is not smart enough to do that, I will disable whatever features some moron mandated that make the gun dysfunctional. I hope this stupid proposal is getting lots of press in Alabama. Doug Jones has to be defeated.


35 posted on 11/20/2017 8:53:32 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Cheerio

Maybe we can add “safer bullets” to the 2nd Amendment? LOL, say, like, NERF? We have more of a problem with illegal drugs that fire arms, and most of the time they are related. I guess the founding fathers didn’t consider that at the time?


36 posted on 11/20/2017 8:54:49 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Damn, the tag line disappeared again? Coursors!)
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To: circlecity

All gun laws are unconstitutional and nothing in the Bill of Rights is negotiable.


37 posted on 11/20/2017 9:01:38 AM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Cheerio

I don’t care what this guy believes. I am tired of Leftists forcing their beliefs onto everyone else.


38 posted on 11/20/2017 9:09:35 AM PST by MarxSux
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To: Cheerio

Hey Jonesy, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS “SMART” GUN CONTROL LAWS. How ‘bout we do some “smart” homicide laws first, ***hole. At least make it illegal to kill somebody. Moron. You’re going to be a perfect fit for Congress. Raging lunatics running America.


39 posted on 11/20/2017 9:18:00 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (2017 - The year the liberals' "sexual revolution" strikes back!)
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To: Cheerio

The only “limitations” found in the Bill of Rights are the “limitations” placed on the Federal government to prevent the government from abusing the American people. And that’s a fact.


40 posted on 11/20/2017 9:25:16 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (2017 - The year the liberals' "sexual revolution" strikes back!)
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