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Kill the Bill
The Weekly Standard ^ | 6 Nov 17 | Matt Labash

Posted on 11/06/2017 7:22:24 PM PST by SkyPilot

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To: Mariner
I’m a little over that threshold and single.

Lost deductions mean my taxes go up several thousand dollars/yr


Do you make about or more than 150k, single without providing for others as dependents, and live in a high tax state like California?

I can see your personal taxes going up if you've been deducting CA's SALT.
81 posted on 11/07/2017 6:14:41 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: xzins

“If they kill this bill they kill the presidency of DJ Trump.”

That’s a defeatist attitude.

Trump’s supporters stick with him.

It’s the Republican Congress that is in jeopardy, and rightfully so.

The corrupt bastards are downright anti-American. And anti-Trump through and through.


82 posted on 11/07/2017 6:19:19 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SkyPilot

If a business can’t consider its real expenses as expenses, then it won’t stay in business very long.

That said, and we’ll probably never agree on this, but you are too good a FRiend to dwell on it.

The important issues for this country are not economic, in my opinion, but spiritual. Satan killed Christians on Sunday, so the blood of the martyrs highlight for us another danger that gets ignored. The hatred for Christians I’ve seen from atheists is akin to the hatred I see from antifa, socialists, and anti-semites. These groups appear to be interwoven.

A recent court nominee by the president was attacked during her confirmation over her religion. A WW1 monument from generations ago was ruled illegal because it had a cross on it. Coaches are forbidden to listen if their teams pray on their own.

God is in control of the rise and fall of kings. I believe we are near our last chance in the same way as good King Josiah was Judah’s last chance.

Getting back to God is more important than taxes, and if we get a good king, we should try to get him to focus with us on godliness. If we do, I think the other things will take care of themselves. We meed this king for 7 more years and not just for 3.


83 posted on 11/07/2017 6:22:53 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. L)
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To: af_vet_1981

I’ve voted Republican in every election since 1976.

If this bill passes, and the final version increases my taxes, I will do everything in my power to ensure they are unelected.

And I believe there are millions like me.


84 posted on 11/07/2017 6:25:55 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
this bill passes, and the final version increases my taxes, I will do everything in my power to ensure they are unelected.

So go already; leave and go join wealthy California Democrats for your personal gain.
85 posted on 11/07/2017 6:32:33 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Again, you demonstrate your Social Justice Warrior core.


86 posted on 11/07/2017 6:45:06 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

There is a group of globalist republicans in the senate that I think numbers at least half. They intend to see that Trump does not succeed. They need only 3 votes to kill anything, and my theory will be proven correct if they kill this tax bill. The easy 3 are McCain, Flaje, and Corker. They’re not even running again, so the other senators can hide behind them.

Watch actions and not stated beliefs. A vote against is a vote against no matter what they say about their ideals, priciples, etc..


87 posted on 11/07/2017 7:00:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory. L)
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To: Mariner
It seems to me you are the Social Justice Warrior, incessantly whining, complaining, and threatening the nation over your personal tax situation, even though you have demonstrably more than most.

So leave already, your money is more important than your nation.
88 posted on 11/07/2017 7:03:10 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: SkyPilot

Ah yes...Mr “I’m Going to Lose a Deduction” attacks the tax plan.

Why is any tax reform tough? Because there are always winners and lowers, and those losing scream far harder than those winning. So we stay stuck with horrible tax law.


89 posted on 11/07/2017 7:08:30 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: af_vet_1981

“So leave already, your money is more important than your nation. “

You believe a tax increase on the middle class is good for the nation.


90 posted on 11/07/2017 7:11:32 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
I think you complain too much about your own wealth and project it on others. If your personal tax rate is the most important thing in your world, you are not middle class,

but rather very poor.
91 posted on 11/07/2017 7:24:11 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: kelly4c
Do you think being a good conservative means espousing unlimited greed?

Why do you ask? Is someone here doing that?

Seems like a morally judgemental question you're asking. It's also off-topic.

92 posted on 11/07/2017 7:35:02 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: SkyPilot

OR we could cut entitlements such as welfare, food stamps, Medicaid and cut duplicate programs that cost billions, cut unnecessary departments such as the Dept of Energy and Education and others and demand performance and accountability from corporations with government contracts, especially Dept of Defense.


93 posted on 11/07/2017 8:12:35 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Conservatives love America for what it is. Liberals hate America for the same reason.)
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To: xzins

I completely agree with your assessment regarding the state of spiritual warfare, both on an individual and national basis. I will continue to pray for our nation, and for President Trump. We need him.


94 posted on 11/07/2017 9:42:07 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Mariner

Haven’t checked but my taxes would go up without the state income tax deduction. But it shouldn’t matter what my taxes do, the investment economy is more important than any one or group deduction which typically only affects spending (or affects nothing).


95 posted on 11/07/2017 3:56:20 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: af_vet_1981

With my Tubo tax last year I only paid 7.06%!


96 posted on 11/07/2017 4:07:48 PM PST by Davy Crocket
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To: familyop

There’s a link to the tax calculator in comment #56.

My taxes will go up under this plan! Did the calc last year with Turbo tax I only paid 7.06%


97 posted on 11/07/2017 4:10:47 PM PST by Davy Crocket
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To: SkyPilot
"And your point of pointing to that "calculator" is.....what?"

To allow readers to find out for themselves.

"Do you simply choose to ignore those who state (even by using it) that they are going to pay a lot more?"

No. I read the complaints.

"Or do you only care that this passes, because you see yourself as one of the "winners" in this sham of a bill?"

No. The deductions for special interests need to go, though. That's the conservative way. If we're going to cut taxes, simply cut tax rates. The complicated tax system and its many socialist parasites are another part of big, socialist spending


98 posted on 11/07/2017 5:06:44 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: SkyPilot

The medical and insurance rackets are stealing everyone blind except for socialist special interests. Same with the real estate and mortgage racket. It’s time to unplug them and let the economy grow. We can no longer support the Borg.


99 posted on 11/07/2017 5:37:21 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: SkyPilot

Where I wrote:
If we’re going to cut taxes, simply cut tax rates.

Expanding the standard deduction will do for now. That’s a simplification. After the special interest deductions are gone, then cut rates.

And no VAT tax of any kind—ever. No added tax schemes like that will be tolerated.


100 posted on 11/07/2017 5:43:55 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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