Is Communism Worse Than Nazism?

In the new normal of 2017, in which far-right and far-left militants clash openly in America’s public square, a contentious 20th century debate is newly relevant: is the extreme left as dangerous and repugnant as the extreme right? Should the hammer and sickle be as offensive as the swastika? Was Communism as evil as Nazism — a question sure to generate plenty of heat as we approach the 100th anniversary of the Russian revolution?

Conservatives have long complained of a double standard for Nazi and Communist crimes. To manyon theleft, on the other hand, equating Communism and Nazism is an obscenity bordering on Nazi apologism. Some whose life’s work is focused on the Holocaust, such as the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Ephraim Zuroff, also object to what they see as a pernicious false symmetry.

It is a question of particular personal relevance to me, as a Jew born in Soviet Russia, where I lived until coming the United States as a teenager in 1980. There were victims of both Communist and Nazis barbarism in my own family. My paternal grandparents were survivors of Stalin’s gulag, imprisoned for trying to escape to Israel and thankfully released early because of Stalin’s death. My father’s uncle was killed in one of Hitler’s death camps.

In the closet-dissident, mostly Jewish milieu where I grew up, the belief that Stalin was as bad as Hitler and that Communism was Nazism’s equally odious twin was entirely commonplace. More than that: there was a not-uncommon view that Communism in its Stalinist incarnation was worse. To a large extent, this reflected the influence of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, whose works (especially “The Gulag Archipelago”) were clandestinely and reverently read, and who was quoted as an authority on Communism’s higher body count and greater cruelty.

Later, in the United States, I had the jarring experience of seeing American liberals use “anti-Soviet” and “anti-Communist” as pejoratives, and frustrating conversations with people who thought Ronald Reagan’s description of the Soviet Union as an evil empire was crude warmongering.

But I also encountered the fact that the crimes of Communism were sometimes used to minimize the Holocaust or suggest that the mass murder of Jews was getting too much attention. At worst, those parallels were given an overtly anti-Semitic twist by people who blamed Communist mass murder on “Jewish Bolsheviks,” suggesting a moral equivalence not just between Communists and Nazis but between Jews and their persecutors. (Such arguments now flourish on the “alt right,” with references to the “Jewish Holodomor” — the Ukrainian terror-famine of 1932-33 — as a counterpart to the Holocaust; never mind that by 1932, the twelve-person Soviet Politburo bolsheviks had precisely one Jewish member.)

Today, I agree with Elie Wiesel’s judgment, in his 1975 essay “Why Solzhenitsyn Troubles Me” (published in the 1978 collection, “A Jew Today”) that there is something troubling about Solzhenitsyn’s tendency to treat the Holocaust as a lesser crime than Stalin’s butchery. However, Wiesel’s point was not to dismiss Communism’s crimes as lesser, but to argue that “there is a limit in evil beyond which comparisons are no longer relevant.” And in a 2004 interview, he observed that Communism was similar to Nazism in its conviction that the end justifies murderous means.

For many, it’s the ends that make a key difference. As British historian Orlando Figes wrote in his 1997 book, “A People’s Tragedy: The Russian Revolution 1891-1924,” Communism is viewed as an expression of “humanity’s historic striving for social justice and comradeship,” a noble dream turned to horrific nightmare. Nazism, on the other hand, stood for racial supremacy and brutal oppression of “lower” races. Thus, Figes argues, the Communist experiment inspires some sympathy or at least respectful understanding, while the Nazi project “can only fill us with revulsion.”

But how meaningful is this distinction? Figes himself shows that from the first days of the Revolution, terror was an essential part of Bolshevik creed, enthusiastically embraced by Vladimir Lenin and his comrades-in-arms. Mass murder of the “class enemy” was openly and explicitly advocated, not only as revolutionary strategy but as a tool of social transformation.

“We must win over to our side 90 million of the 100 that populate Soviet Russia. There is no talking to the rest — they must be eliminated,” declared Grigory Zinoviev, Bolshevik leader and close Lenin associate, at the September 1918 Petrograd conference of the Russian Communist Party. Two years later, fellow revolutionary (and in less than two decades, fellow victim of Stalin’s terror machine) Nikolai Bukharinwrote, “Proletarian coercion in all its forms, from executions by shooting to compulsory labor, is, paradoxical though it may sound, a method of molding Communist humanity out of the human material of the capitalist era.”

What’s more, the Soviet ideal of a brotherhood beyond ethnic and racial lines often turned, in practice, to systematic persecution of populations seen as more loyal to their own kind than to the Communist fraternity — be it Ukrainians in the early 1930s or Jews in the late 1940s and early 1950s. (Had Stalin lived a little longer, Soviet Jews might well have faced mass deportation to Siberia, a de facto death sentence for many.)

Conversely, Nazi racial supremacism was often masked with proclamations of freedom, brotherhood and justice for (German) workers. It’s no accident that one of the most popular songs of the Russian revolution — “Bravely, O Comrades, march onward” — was adopted as a hymn by the Nazis with barely changed lyrics, except for a line extolling Hitler and a reference to corruption by Jewish gold. Likewise, a look at Soviet and Nazis posters shows a strikingly similar esthetic.

The Holocaust was a unique evil in its diabolical attempt at the total annihilation of a people. Nazism created death camps, while the camps of the gulag were not specifically intended to kill — though in at least some of them, quickly working people to death seems to have been a deliberate policy.

Stalinism had its own distinct evils, including random terror that struck down even those most loyal to the regime. An ordinary German who either supported the Nazi regime or took no interest in politics generally had no reason to fear arrest. In the Soviet Union under Stalin, as British writer Martin Amis wrote in his eccentric but fascinating 2002 study, “Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million,” “Everyone was terrorized, all the way up: Everyone except Stalin.” (“Koba” was Stalin’s nickname in his revolutionary days; twenty million is a low-end estimate of Soviet Communism’s human toll.)

You could be arrested and sent to the gulag because someone denounced you for an absurd reason: the aunt of a family friend of ours in Moscow was imprisoned because someone reported that she played a funeral march on the piano the day Bukharin was shot. Or a scapegoat could be needed for production problems at the factory where you worked. My maternal grandfather, a Party member and an aviation engineer, sometimes said to my grandma, “If they arrest me, please don’t believe that I’m an enemy of the people.”

In “Koba the Dread,” Amis struggles with the difference between attitudes toward Communism and Nazism and concludes that, on a visceral level, the “species shame” at the human capacity for monstrous deeds is “deeper in the case of Germany.” He attributes this partly to the Nazis’ “biomedical” approach to extermination.

And yet Amis also notes ways in which Communism was the worse poison: for instance, it destroyed civil society—social bonds and institutions independent of the state—in a way Nazism did not, which made recovery from Nazism easier. Moreover, “Nazism could not be duplicated” (other fascist states did not even come close); on the other hand, “Bolshevism was exportable, and produced near-identical results elsewhere.” Indeed, the Communist experiments in China and Cambodia were far more barbaric than in the Soviet Union, both in terms of total state control over everyday life and in terms of mass slaughter.

Still, sympathy for the noble dream persists; even outright Communist apologetics can still be found on the progressive left. Three years ago, Salon.com ran a piece by activist Jesse Myerson titled “Why you’re wrong about communism,” supposedly a debunking of Americans’ “huge misconceptions” on the subject (but actually a hodgepodge of excuses and red herrings).

In 1999, a group of historians published “The Black Book of Communism,” a monumental examination of the crimes of Communist regimes. Left-wing journalist Daniel Singer took them to task in The Nation for a one-sided approach that left out the good things: “There was also enthusiasm, construction, the spread of education and social advancement for millions.” Singer was particularly dismayed because he felt that the authors were using Communism’s record to discourage belief in “collective action and the possibility of radical transformation” and promote resignation to the way things are.

But liberal democracy, for all its (currently glaring) flaws, already allows for collective action and social change. And Communism’s record should indeed be a warning against the pursuit of “radical transformation,” especially by violent means — as much as Nazism should be a warning against the dangers of militant nationalism rooted in ethnic or racial identity.

The goals of communism, and left-wing radicalism in general, may not be as blatantly repugnant as the goals of Nazism, fascism, and right-wing radicalism. But that makes left-wing radicalism more seductive to men and women of good will — and in that sense, perhaps, most dangerous.

,i>Same thing, really, but I think Communism is more dangerous.

I think Jews would disagree.

In 1953, Stalin appeared ready to start a massive pogrom against the Jews when he passed on to his celestial reward. Millions of these Soviet Jews whose lives were saved by Stalin's death might not disagree.

Yeah, it’s all the same crap, different bowl. Totalitarian control through violence and intimidation. Call em whatever you want...RATs works for me.

Although they are not likely to self identify as such, I’d say baby-killers Hitlary, Janet Reno and their ilk at the DHHS CPS are fairly Nazi-esque. And Weasely Clark.

The evil of Nazi Germany - The destruction of the Jewish people (but not limited to just Jews. Blacks, Gypsies, Slavs were all considered untermenschen.)

The evil of communism - The destruction of the humanity of the person. Communism looks upon a person as a cog in the machine that is the government. The person has no value outside of the usefulness to the government. It also destroys individuality. It simply can’t be allowed. Difference of thought must be eliminated.

Looking strictly at the numbers, Communism was responsible for far more deaths than Nazism. Hitler’s Germany murdered about 13 million people. Stalin’s communism murdered at least 20 million. But other communist regimes throughout the 20th century have pushed that number to as many as 100 million or more. From Romania, East Germany, North Korea, Cuba, Viet Nam, Cambodia, and last but certainly not least, Communist China. Mao may very well be the greatest mass murderer of all time.

I think that we can agree that saying communism is evil does not reduce the evil of the Nazis. They’re simply 2 sides of the same coin.

Mark

Not a difference in kind, but in virulence and response. Naziism was a highly virulent disease so it got wiped out relatively quickly. Communism is a more chronic disease so it had more time to carry out torture and murder.

For a detailed comparison see Snyder's book Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin. The book focuses on East Central Europe -- Belarus, Ukraine, etc.

-JUST MORE LEFTIST PROPAGANDA...

In Reality:

Nazism are Fascism are Leftist central planning, central authority totalitarian and authoritarian collectivist ideologies that sacrifice objective individual God-given rights at the altar of subjective politically correct collective rights -JUST LIKE Communism, Islamism, Socialism, Progressivism and Globalism -ALL Left wing ideologies.

Extreme right-wing radicalism would entail a state of dog eat dog individual and tribal anarchy with no rule of law, no authority local, state or central with NO central planning.

Even in the extreme right-wing version of Conservatism, Conservatism is all about rule of law, limited government, and individual personal and property rights...

Totalitarian socialism is the supreme evil. Whether that system is national socialist or soviet socialist is not an important distinction.

It is not obvious from history whether the very large numbers murdered by the Nazi party and by the communist party differed because of differences in ideology or just because of differences in tactics/efficiency. It is hard to say that the eleven million murdered by Germans was more or less terrible than the twenty million or so murdered by Stalin. My perspective: Why would anyone work so hard to bring either system back? [A question I would like to ask Bernie, Hillary, and the rest of America’s socialists and communists.]

Thats it in a nutshell.

Under the German Nazis, Krupp continued on as long as he supported the regime.

Under communism, they would have taken Krupp, killed off its officers and took full control of the production. It is true Marxism.

Hitler hated the commies because they wanted to control him and he wanted to control them.

I have read that one of the reasons Hitler hated the Jews so much is that he blamed them for Marxism.. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black. Dont know if that is true or not, but, Marx was Jewish.

IMO, it was the mob on steroids. After all, the mob systems are/were set up similar.

Well it’s interesting to note that if anything, Stalin was closer to Hitler than to Lenin.

Lenin wanted to reduce the influence of Russian Nationalism on the Soviet Union, and wanted the focus of the Soviet Union to be on spreading Communism worldwide.

Stalin, wanted “Socialism in One Country”, and implemented “Russification” across the Soviet Union, and ethnically cleansed entire regions and replacing them with ethnic Russians.

“The great myth is that Nazism is right, but, as you say, the starting point is everything. “

Problem is the NSDAP was a bulwark aginst communism.Who do we have a problem with today...NSDAP or communists/democrats?

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