then feed them straight into a plastic shredder... NONE of them are going to be anything but what they are
Posted on 10/07/2017 7:45:26 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
'They're giving up,' said Lieutenant General Paul Funk, who commands the coalition task force fighting Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. 'Their leaders are abandoning them.'
In uncommon scenes, large groups of militants were turning themselves over to Kurdish Peshmerga forces, in the city southwest of Kirkuk.
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'The speed at which the enemy gave up surprised me,' Funk said in a phone interview from Baghdad, after Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi announced the liberation of Hawija.
Funk said about 1,000 militants surrendered in the past three or four days of fighting in Hawija. The coalition had estimated up to 1,500 militants were defending the city when the offensive began.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
“Surrender or infiltration ruse?”
Lived among Muslims in the Middle East (Christian here). It is very difficult for the Western mindset to understand how these fanatics think and operate. They have no absolute allegiance to anyone - but will “change sides” if it suits their purposes. And then later they will join some other jihadi group that formerly was their enemy! And think nothing of it.
It’s all part of their religion - which instructs them to deceive their opponents. It is common for Muslim leaders to say one thing for Western consumption, and quite another when talking to their fellow Muslims.
In the case of the ISIS fighters, it is simply a matter of surviving to fight another day. They may spend some time in prison, but upon their release many will join another jihadi group - more radicalized than ever. This is exactly what happened to the current leader of ISIS, al-Bagdadi, as well as many fighters released from Grantonimo Bay (sp?).
I fear that many others are melting away to continue the fight elsewhere. How many will make their way to Europe or the US, disguised as Refugees. It is already happening!
I think you are wrong about the young girl.
You should see some of the Ezidi’s. (who Kurds claim they descend from) Light complexion, blond hair, incredible bright light blue eyes. (Other Ezidi are red headed with brown eyes)
example: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/14/article-2724658-2084D29B00000578-826_964x641.jpg
That would be a excellent opportunity to kill all of them.
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I totally disagree with you.
But that is all right.
My father in law was in Africa during WWII. He would tell you the Arab people are survivors. They took sides with whomever would address that, and that alone. They were happy with the Italians, then German, and then the US. They are a people without values or convictions. They are so used to being abused, they just go along.
When Obama went away, decency returned to America.
Its obvious. There is no encirclement because there are no forces to do so. What -reliable- western divisions are encircling Raqqa? We have a sunni/kurd militia and we are also hostile to the Syrian government forces.
We will not see a mass of tens of thousands in holding pens to sort through like in 1945 Germany. I think this was deliberate because many have European passports, and nobody wanted to deal with that. There wont be any Simon Weisenthal hunting ISIS escapees.
But the neocons will crow about this and continue the actual goal of the Syrian sunni rebels.
This feeds the fiction that ISIS was the only bad guys and that the “moderate rebels” are just fine.
They aren’t
Here’s a theoretical question. Are the ones left likely the most hardened? Or the ones who hid the best?
The neocon fiction remains, that only ISIS was bad, and the rest of the rebels are non-jihadi “moderates” reading Madison and Jefferson.
This is just a change of ownership, and most have escaped to Europe in the last several months.
Just watch, we’ll be hearing from them a lot in the coming months due to our inept military leaders strategy.
then feed them straight into a plastic shredder... NONE of them are going to be anything but what they are
Yes Thank You,thanks for the link Texas Fossil.
“Here’s a theoretical question. Are the ones left likely the most hardened? Or the ones who hid the best?”
Add it up, ISIS was absolutely flush in hard cash. And the worst ones came from Europe. That’s a recipe for escape to have a EU passport and a suitcase full of hundreds. Think THEY waited around to surrender?
The smart and hardened ones already dipped out and are sipping coffee in Munich, London and Paris and Brussels now. The ones left are likely the ones left behind and told hold out as long as you can.
If they were the hard cases, they wouldn’t be surrendering. These are the locals and conscripts.
We are capturing Volksturm and Hitler youth, not SS formations.
“We have a sunni/kurd militia”
No. Believe me, the YPG/YPJ are totally secular. They know who the bad guys in the Unicorn Militias are. They know al Nusra, Sultan Murat and all the bad players.
Our “neocons” don’t have a clue. TOTALLY clueless.
This is not WWII Europe, it is the Middle East. Only those on the ground there fully understand.
US military understands this and are listening to our allies there. That is why this was successful. Right choice of action.
They do worry about our loyalty after ISIS. They do have intact relationships with Russia and Assad. They have never tried to overthrow Assad. They do want more autonomy. And they probably think they can swing the rest of Syria to their thinking over time. It might work, it is up to them. They are not dummies.
Just cuz you got combat fatigues doesn’t mean you can’t spruce up a bit :)
We disagree.
The ones left are not the top leaders. If they went to Deir Ezzor they will die there.
The ones left in Raqqa are pure thug animals who will die there, the local conscripts who will surrender at 1st opportunity, the disillusioned who were too afraid to try and escape and some poor stupid rats who got caught up in this.
There have been rumors of internal conflicts with shooting within the ISIS ranks. That happened in Tabqa just before it was captured. Some surrendered. Others fought to the end. A deal was made to preserve the dam there in exchange for letting some go to Raqqa from Tabqa. They sabatoged the dam, but it was not blown up. The turbines have been slowly recovering use. There were 8 turbines, think 2 work now. Major damage to the control systems.
I’d consider surrendering to her too...
“And Hillary, remember that when she runs again in 2020. “
She can’t run from a pine box, and that’s where I believe she will be in 2020. She’ll be doing the beast with two backs with Juan McCain down in Hell!
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