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There is no black culture without America
Urban Family Talk ^ | September 26, 2017 | Meeke Addison

Posted on 09/28/2017 2:44:31 PM PDT by EveningStar

People have joked that the United States of America has no culture of its own. They’ve suggested that American culture is the collection of other cultures. That’s partly true. America is an amazing tapestry of subcultures mixed together to give the country a unique, distinct, and very evident culture. America’s culture is, in fact, the result of the great experiment that is our existence. We come from all over the world, and together we form what was once called a “melting pot.” We’re not required to lose the identity of our country of origin, but instead, we’re celebrated for what we bring, adding to the culture at large...

[Black culture] is American culture. In fact, it is a culture that is the result of America. In that way, black culture may be different from Italian, Japanese, French, or Hispanic cultures, which all brought their individual cultures and practices with them to the United States. These and various other cultures were then shaped by their new homeland. Black culture, on the other hand, is different. Black culture is uniquely American. It is birthed right here, proudly made in the USA...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: americanculture; blackculture; culture
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To: Red Badger
I disagree. It is the culmination of African, Caribbean and Creole cultures..................

Obviously not, because Black American culture is different from Cuban or Jamaican or French Antillean, or Brazilian or Panamanian culture.

Clearly, the "American" or "Anglo" component played a role in making Black American culture different from African or Caribbean culture.

That is something that one could argue against those who say that White influences played no role at all in making jazz or blues.

I'm wondering why somebody would take that side of the argument and deny that Black (or White) American culture didn't come from a variety of sources and a mixture of races and ethnic groups.

Similarly, what we think of as Mexican music owed a lot to Germans and other White Europeans who brought their music and instruments to Texas and Mexico.

41 posted on 09/28/2017 3:42:01 PM PDT by x (Stop the hammering!)
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To: nopardons

Nope it came out of Harlem

But it is well appreciated in the South


42 posted on 09/28/2017 3:44:03 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: ichabod1

Indeed


43 posted on 09/28/2017 3:44:20 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: nopardons
By the 1950s, the entire world had heard American Blues for at least since the 1920s

The entire "civilized world," to use an anachronism, but not places like the interior of Mali, where there were still ethnomusicologists who were roaming around with 78-rpm record cutters, often WWII surplus.

Which reminds me, in my study (I was born in '54 so it's before my time ;> ) we learned that post-WWII there were lots of low-power AM stations in the rural south, made from WWII surplus transmitters, with white-owned stations playing country and black-owned stations playing blues and rhythm/blues. At night white people could listen to black music on their portable radios without getting caught, and black people could listen to country, and both could listen to high-power popular music stations like WLS and WOR, so the different musicians began to use what they heard in the other's music, with the result being rock-n-roll. When the Mali recordings were being made in 1952, Alan Freed was beginning the new era of popular music, and it's never looked back.

44 posted on 09/28/2017 3:44:20 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Nifster
Did it?

I find the whole idea of that disgusting,m but that's just me. I know that others enjoy it.

But then, ketchup on scrambled eggs, also came out of Manhattan, which I also find a disgusting combo. ;^)

45 posted on 09/28/2017 3:48:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: chajin
Oh for crying out loud...the blues could be heard by many, in the 19 teens and by the 1920s, even more listened to the radio and or actually heard it live, in various different areas of this nation.

George Gershwin wrote RHAPSODY IN BLUE in 1924, for crying out loud! And that is BLUES!

You need to learn more about the blues' history!

46 posted on 09/28/2017 3:53:01 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

It is probably some sort of pounding sticks together...or some appropriated and mutated western music.


47 posted on 09/28/2017 3:56:01 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen
Probably misappropriated sort of "blues"...if that.

I refuse to even bother with the link, since I happen to know quite a lot about music and the history of music. And yes, even music from Africa.

48 posted on 09/28/2017 4:31:32 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: EveningStar

America had a culture from the start, the culture of its founding people. Anglo-Saxon WASP culture. It wasn’t loud, colorful and obnoxious, but it was real.


49 posted on 09/28/2017 4:40:17 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: nopardons
Nope...you are damned dead WRONG!

I just looked it up and IF whats on line can be believed, even Thomas Jefferson at this dish, during a time when Harlem was a vast farm land, owned and operated by a white DUTCH family, who may have eaten waffles ( a Pennsylvania Dutch dish well known in Pa. ), but not with a side of Southern Fried Chicken!

But in the 1930s it was, indeed, being served in restaurants in Harlem for the first time.

It's anyone's guess where or when this dish began!

50 posted on 09/28/2017 4:56:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Some of the jazz players were hungry after a gig, early morning, bar couldn’t serve so the cook made up some chicken and waffles...the rest is as they say history


51 posted on 09/28/2017 4:59:13 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: nopardons

Yeah ketchup on eggs is icky


52 posted on 09/28/2017 4:59:52 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

Ketchup on anything is icky.


53 posted on 09/28/2017 5:01:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: EveningStar

The problem is that this ghetto culture today is probably our number one export to the globe.


54 posted on 09/28/2017 5:02:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nifster
Well, whatever it is....others are more than welcome to it; as for me, it's a weird, doesn't go together at all combo and something I shan't ever order/eat.

FYI...Chop Suey would have been better example, as it IS an American dish; something NEVER made nor even eaten in any part of China.

And American Goulash isn't goulash at all, misnamed, and no Hungarian, nor anyone of Hungarian heritage/someone who like Hungarian food, would touch with a barge pole!

Danish pastry isn't Danish at all, but an Hungarian pasty, renamed during WW I, in America, because nonHungarians were boycotting anything and everything even remotely connected to those on the side we were fighting.

So yes, there absolutely ARE purely American "culture" icons solely ours alone!

55 posted on 09/28/2017 5:07:04 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Nifster

Disgusting...even to just see; let alone eat that way!


56 posted on 09/28/2017 5:20:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: dfwgator
No it isn't! It's just a matter of taste and "culture"! LOL

Personally, I love ketchup on hamburgers and French fries, but that's me. :-)

57 posted on 09/28/2017 5:22:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Just never put it on a hot dog.


58 posted on 09/28/2017 5:23:16 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

SPOT ON...that is a sacrilege; however, so is putting mayo on a hot dog, which YES, sadly, they do in Bermuda!


59 posted on 09/28/2017 5:25:29 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Dirty Harry agrees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpZ_fakwSwc


60 posted on 09/28/2017 5:27:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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