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The National Anthem Protests -- Do Facts Matter?
Townhall.com ^ | September 28, 2017 | Larry Elder

Posted on 09/28/2017 5:58:48 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: dhs12345

Celebrities are different. Ito was not black but he was no less star struck than many of the rest. It’s a celebrity thing as well as a race thing.

When a black juror does vote to convict they are going to base their decision, being responsible, based on the evidence.

But for those who aren’t responsible for the decision a different dynamic seems in play.

This is, as you point out, about race ... but it isn’t just about race. Famous black people are apparently seen as representative of all black people. The myths about race require it. I’m guessing that when a famous black man is found not guilty others get to vicariously share in it ... their blackness is exonerated. Likewise it seems that many (especially white progressives) think blackness is being punished (I.e. the old style bigotry is still behind current incarceration rates).


21 posted on 09/28/2017 6:49:41 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Tenacious 1

Where have all the leaders gone? Their statues are in warehouses.


22 posted on 09/28/2017 6:56:26 AM PDT by Midnitethecat
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To: Altura Ct.

narrative is relevant. truth is irrelevant if in conflict with the narrative.


23 posted on 09/28/2017 7:06:26 AM PDT by chief lee runamok
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To: dhs12345

Heh, making my sister’s breakfast and I realized I’d poorly edited that post.

When I wrote that it wasn’t just about race that was a reference to celebrity. However, after writing that the post was radically restructured, things shuffled about, but it didn’t change that line to match.

Sorry for the bad editing.


24 posted on 09/28/2017 7:08:50 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Kaslin

Bookmark


25 posted on 09/28/2017 7:20:34 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Midnitethecat

There’s a quote from a Confederate general that I think applies. He said, in essence, that if it was discovered than blacks made good soldiers that the entire theory of race would be drawn into question.

This is a quote from someone who opposed black soldiers in the Confederate army and I reckon his opposition, based on this quote, was that he didn’t WANT to have evidence that he felt, were it forthcoming, he would in fact act upon accordingly.

The man was without a doubt a racist, but he was also fair and he seems to have believed that if the two REALLY came into conflict he knew which would and should give way.

Now compare him to some Union commanders who actually had evidence that black soldiers could make good soldiers (I’m not referring to that incident involving the sappers under Confederate defenses because the whole charge after the advance was poorly led and the failures of the officer in command undermined the apparent effectiveness of black troops sent belatedly into a killing zone, a big hole in the ground, where no soldier, black or white, should have been sent) and yet clung to their racism, insisting that black troops support rather than lead charges.


26 posted on 09/28/2017 7:20:35 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Kaslin

Do facts matter?
No. And absolution from whiteness will never come. Never.


27 posted on 09/28/2017 7:21:41 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Kaslin

Well I say, “If they take a knee, just give’em the FINGER!!”

And, bravo NRA, herein: https://youtu.be/z3j1ZKz7PWQ


28 posted on 09/28/2017 7:28:06 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Kaslin

It’s hard to decide who is stupider in this scenario, the players or the owners. But the blame if this farce continues should be on the fans who continue to fill the seats at NFL games or who tune in the games on TV.


29 posted on 09/28/2017 7:31:23 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Kaslin

No. For Leftists, facts are always inconvenient and to be avoided at all costs.


30 posted on 09/28/2017 7:44:01 AM PDT by odawg
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To: Kaslin

And there is no way in hell that a black religious sect would have been treated by the BATF and FBI like the Branch Davidians at WACO


31 posted on 09/28/2017 7:54:53 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: IrishBrigade
All with good intentions, no doubt. /sarc

Meanwhile, they disrespect the fans, our servicemen and women...

32 posted on 09/28/2017 8:07:22 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Rurudyne

I would like to think so. That way I can maintain my hope in humanity. False hope at that. Wrong is wrong although it seems that this is less important these days.

And there is the other side of it and the African American culture that demonizes a black person if he or she is successful because it means that they lose their identity as a black person and are a turncoat and a traitor or something. As if being dirt poor and uneducated is what all African Americans should strive for. This is insane and does more damage than anything else.


33 posted on 09/28/2017 8:14:55 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Kaslin

Why are you introducing facts to this argument?


34 posted on 09/28/2017 8:21:42 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Islam delenda est.)
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To: Rurudyne

Hey, no problem. :)


35 posted on 09/28/2017 8:40:00 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Kaslin

Minorities are looking for issues in regards to race, so they perceive many things to be racist when actually they are normal.

I live just a few miles from the Mexican border, have for many years. I have been stopped many, many times by Border Patrol over the years. I drive roads near the border that are known smuggling/illegal crossing routes so no surprise I would be stopped fairly often and checked out. Hispanics that live in areas of the border are constantly claiming they are racially profiled; only stopped by Border Patrol because they are Hispanic. When I talk to them about their experiences I find they are stopped no more often than I am. When I tell them that, they don’t believe me. I am a very white, blond but being stopped by BP has to be racist.

Minorities that feel picked on by police are often poor, so don’t always have their vehicles in the best repair, may not have current tags, or insurance. All reasons for police to stop people. I know poor whites that are stopped fairly often, broken tail light, expired tags, ETC- but no racist excuses work for them. Minorities just don’t see the actual reasons they are being stopped and call it racism right off the bat because that is what they are looking for.

Singling out minority groups and teaching them they are victims is causing this to escalate and making the problems worse and worse. Telling someone over and over that whites/police are racist against them would make anyone paranoid and so each thing that happens to them they just blame it on racism. That is encouraged by activist minorities and liberal whites so there is a lot of support for them thinking every thing is about race.


36 posted on 09/28/2017 8:43:33 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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Cubs’ owner Phillip Wrigley refused for years to allow the Anthem played at Cubs games because he felt such frequency cheapened the Anthem.

To be honest, perhaps he was correct? It does, think about it.

37 posted on 09/28/2017 8:46:59 AM PDT by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero))
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Cubs’ owner Phillip Wrigley refused for years to allow the Anthem played at Cubs games because he felt such frequency cheapened the Anthem. The Cubs only relented in the ‘60s.

Never heard that before, but I tend to agree.

I really don't like the "all veterans stand up" part of sporting events. I served. Got it. No need to be clapped at before every game.

38 posted on 09/28/2017 8:53:15 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: txrefugee

I agree. If the fans stop attending the games, or stop stop watching the games on TV, maybe the NFL would change the attitude


39 posted on 09/28/2017 8:53:23 AM PDT by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero))
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To: Kaslin
These "oppressed" millionaires protesting one of THE greatest emblems 🇺🇸AGAINST oppression, ever. 🤔🤣🙄
40 posted on 09/28/2017 8:58:21 AM PDT by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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