Posted on 09/01/2017 10:26:41 AM PDT by varyouga
(SALT LAKE CITY) — A Utah police officer's body camera video shows a hospital nurse being handcuffed after refusing to draw blood on an unconscious patient.
The video taken at University Hospital in Salt Lake City shows nurse Alex Wubbels calmly explaining to Salt Lake detective Jeff Payne that she couldn't draw blood on a patient who had been injured in a car accident. She told the officer a patient was required to give consent for a blood sample or be under arrest. Otherwise, she said police needed a warrant.
The dispute ended with Payne telling the nurse she was under arrest and physically moving her out of the hospital while she screamed.
The Salt Lake Tribune reports Wubbels was not charged. Police have started an internal investigation, but Payne remains on duty.
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Or you are a jackboot licker.
Oh, We have a big and vocal Jackboot Licker Brigade, a/k/a The Cops Can Do No Wrong fan club on FR.
He will. He just hasn’t thought of it yet.
“have some experience in jail wards in hospitals. In my experience a nurse wouldn’t follow an order from a deputy or CO if she thought it was illegal. She would say talk to the charge nurse or she would get the charge nurse.”
Sounds right. The nurse does not have the authority to make decisions or interpret the law for that matter. In your scenario the Charge Nurse may then need to go above as well.
“I was married to an RN for 22 years and i have been in the hospital 12 or more times since 2002. Nurses do not follow cops orders blindly unless there is gunfire on the floor.”
This is a real comment.
It’s not exactly relevant, in that the cop was not asking her to draw the blood.
But your comments are greatly appreciated.
The nurse has no authority one way or the other, as you point out above.
This nurse did try to exercise he own authority, which is fine, but then she should not scream and yell and revisit arrest anymore than anyone if arrested.
Nor would the nurse have been in trouble if she had not opposed the officer, as some suggested.
The answer is the charge nurse on scene or should have been called.
If she drew the blood without consent she would be fired and her license would be pulled.
Folks on FR want everyone fired without having any clue how the world works.
HEE hee.
Nor would the nurse have been in trouble if she had not opposed the officer, as some suggested.
The cop was illegally interfering with the nurses’ job. He wouldn’t have lost his job as a police phlebotomist had he not done so.
“The answer is the charge nurse on scene or should have been called.”
A voice of reason!
Then why draw blood?
It was quite clear the hospital required to comply with their policy and this Barney said to hell with you, your career in the nurses case and the law. There was no:
Warrant
Arrest
Patient consent
None of these were met. The cop demanded she perform an illegal act and she refused to comply. The cop was a total ass and the unis were for not stepping in. The detective demanded a citizen work against their wishes to break hospital policy and the law. By some peoples reasoning an officer can demand any citizen do their bidding at the threat of arrest simply based on the officers discretion and thought of possible “probably cause “.
The only way this detective enters my hospital again if I am the administrator is to publicly apologize to the nurse, doctors, staff and any one else who was there.
This nurse and the hospital has a huge lawsuit against this police department and they will easily win. Crap like this kills the goodwill that good officers take years to build. The detective is a walking lawsuit factory.
You are wrong, medical personnel are tasked with patient protection of patients assigned to them- they are legally responsible if they allow anyone to breach the patient care or privacy of their patients. If she had complied with the LE request she would have been held legally responsible. She would have faced sanctions or loss of her license, she could have faced charges for violating patient privacy laws, she would have set herself and the hospital up for malpractice claim. LE would have been held responsible as well (case thrown out and/or possible lawsuit, possible IA investigation...) but that would not have changed her responsibility and that of the hospital.
You may not be up on all the laws concerning this, but they are there and are enforced. Medical personnel and LE are very aware of them, they deal with them all the time. LE knew he was requesting her to do something contrary to law, he was trying to BS then bully her into doing it anyway.
Someone up the thread said it was time to have coffee and let the lawyers (for LE and hospital) sort it out. That is exactly what should have happened. He knew the law was not on his side so he tried to BS and bully the nurse. She knows her responsibility to her patients and the laws concerning that so she refused to be bullied.
The cop did check with his supervisor. He thought he was in the right.
I guess you didn’t see where police management is already sitting down with hospital management to make things right. I imagine there will be a face to face meeting with the cop and nurse to get everything aired out, settled, and apologies made. I doubt there will be a lawsuit.
The police phlebotomist has zero authority to do blood draw in the hospital without the hospital’s permission. He is not their employee and they have legal/medical obligations to their unconscious patient and serious liability issues if they ignore those obligations.
The hospital also had a written protocol agreement with the police department that the police phlebotomist was not following.
The cop was following neither the law nor the protocol so where does his authority come from?
The cop did check with his supervisor. He thought he was in the right.
I guess you didn’t see where police management is already sitting down with hospital management to make things right. I imagine there will be a face to face meeting with the cop and nurse to get everything aired out, settled, and apologies made. I doubt there will be a lawsuit.
Nice try as a calm defender of police abuse, but when it’s so blatant as in this case, only cop worshipers are on your side.
The police phlebotomist has zero authority to do blood draw in the hospital without the hospital’s permission. He is not their employee
But he is a cop! He can do anything he wants anywhere.
According to the article I read, her supervisor was on the phone instructing her at the time this happened. Instead of waiting for/talking to her supervisor LE lost it.
thanx
If the cop wanted to beat a confession out of a patient, no one in the hospital could say no? Are citizens required to stand aside and watch a policeman violate the law?
I’d love to hear your legal explanation for why no one can oppose a cop who is breaking the law...
Wow,...doubling down.wow.
When good men stand by and do nothing, they are are no longer good men.
At some point you may want to admit to yourself and others that you are unwilling, for reasons I am not concerned with knowing, to assist in making any meaningful attempt at recovering this country from this very pervasive peril. Sides will be chosen, and fence sitting, it’s cowardly.
I have taken note not to expect to count you within my ranks. Good day.
And what would that have changed? The officer was ignoring the hospital officials on the phone. He wanted his illegal evidence, and no mere nurse or hospital admin or charge nurse was going to stop him from getting his illegal evidence. He was demanding that she commit a crime for him (which is a felony on his part), and his fellow officers stood by and allowed it to happen (co-conspirators), so they should face charges as well.
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