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Houston, we have a problem
Heartland Institute ^ | 8/30/17 | Clifford F. Thies

Posted on 08/30/2017 9:58:40 AM PDT by Redmen4ever

Houston / Harris County has two enormous "dry reservoirs," along with several hundred (regular) reservoirs, bayous, stream beds and other infrastructure designed to collect the water of torrential rainfalls to prevent flooding.

(Excerpt) Read more at heartland.org ...


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KEYWORDS: floodcontrol; harvey; hurricaneharvey
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We need to re-think disaster relief to induce local governments to better protect against predictable hazards such as flood.
1 posted on 08/30/2017 9:58:40 AM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Redmen4ever

I’m trying to think of a city that can handle over 50” of rain...


2 posted on 08/30/2017 10:02:28 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Snickering Hound

Denver? Still would be mind boggling issues.


3 posted on 08/30/2017 10:05:05 AM PDT by madison10 (Pray for President Trump and Houston, Texas)
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To: Snickering Hound

Leaving finger-pointing aside, future home buyers should note that it is better to buy at the top of the hill than at the bottom!

P.S. It is better to live somewhere with hills so you can be at the top of the hill.


4 posted on 08/30/2017 10:06:33 AM PDT by cgbg (Hidden behind the social justice warrior mask is corruption and sexual deviance.)
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To: Redmen4ever

The article says:

“Instead, of the city bearing the cost of reducing its margin of safety, the federal government is expected to bail the city out when natural disasters occur, in terms of rebuilding roads, highways, bridges and other public infrastructure.”

So, therefore, why not the UN?


5 posted on 08/30/2017 10:07:53 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: Snickering Hound

When we lived in HKG we had 39” of rain in 24 hours at Repulse Bay. The typhoon was not that bad but the rain caused many buildings to slide down the steep hills.
The road in front of our building became a white water river killing one man. The retaining wall behind the building was about 40’ tall and was spouting water out the weep holes like a fire hose. Scary.


6 posted on 08/30/2017 10:07:59 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Redmen4ever
When you have 50 inches of rain in just five days, no wonder you may end up with 35% of the city of Houston flooded. You're going to see a massive scrapping of motor vehicles and in the short run, could even benefit the automobile industry when as much as 500,000 cars will need to be replaced.
7 posted on 08/30/2017 10:11:31 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: Redmen4ever

Retention ponds work.

Until they don’t.


8 posted on 08/30/2017 10:12:21 AM PDT by alloysteel (Guilty until proven innocent, while denying defense, justice, mercy or any appeal. No pardon, ever.)
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To: Redmen4ever

There are predictable hazards and there are predictable hazards. It’s not like Houston floods all the time. Most places would get their butts kicked by 4 feet of rain in a short time frame. And that’s something that happens in that region at least once a decade we really shouldn’t be building the infrastructure to handle it.

I’m reminded of a decade or so ago when a nasty ice storm blew through Tucson, all our bridges (we have them, they don’t go over water most of the time but they exist) were a mess and there were complaints that we only have one de-icing truck, but the last time we had something like that happen was never and if I’m going to be brutally honest even 1 de-icing truck here is a waste of money most years.

We could “re-build” Houston to handle 4 feet of rain, at great expense, and then they never have it happen again. Or the next time around they get 6 feet and the infrastructure will fail again. Build for what is likely to happen periodically, not for every wild possibility.


9 posted on 08/30/2017 10:12:58 AM PDT by discostu (Things are in their place, The heavens are secure, The whole thing explodes in my face)
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To: alloysteel

Retention ponds with twice the capacity work better.

Besides, these aren’t ponds. These are dry reserves. They’re parks strategically-placed to convert into reservoirs once a generation or so.


10 posted on 08/30/2017 10:17:29 AM PDT by Redmen4ever (u)
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To: Redmen4ever
The author of this article, after my scholarly analysis, is an ignoramus.


11 posted on 08/30/2017 10:18:43 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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I’m pretty sure that if you look at the budget of Houston, you will find that they had money (I think Federal money) to work on drainage.

I believe they hired about 350 people to work on drainage.

Maybe they should have spent that money building reservoirs instead of hiring relatives for no work jobs.


12 posted on 08/30/2017 10:18:44 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Snickering Hound

That would be Houston before they monkeyed with their water control plan. Since you have no problem with Houston converting land from water control to development, would you be o.k. with the city converting what remains of its dry reservoirs to development?


13 posted on 08/30/2017 10:19:43 AM PDT by Redmen4ever (u)
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To: Oldexpat

So we are supposed to know where this HKG place is? Spell it out!


14 posted on 08/30/2017 10:23:48 AM PDT by webheart (Grammar police on the scene.)
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To: Redmen4ever
That would be Houston before they monkeyed with their water control plan. Since you have no problem with Houston converting land from water control to development, would you be o.k. with the city converting what remains of its dry reservoirs to development?

Like how Washington D.C. was built in a swamp off the Potomac?

How would the most brilliant people in the world centered there handle 50+ inches of rain?

15 posted on 08/30/2017 10:26:14 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: webheart
HKG is the airport symbol for Hong Kong International Airport.

The place is Hong Kong. The word 'typhoon' also helps identify the general pacific region.

16 posted on 08/30/2017 10:28:44 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: discostu

I’m not being retained as a consultant, but my suggestion would be to identify a third dry reservoir along the Brazos. A place where most buildings have to be condemned because of water damage. Then, relocate those people and businesses, and make that place into a park. It wouldn’t have to be completely devoid of roads and so forth. Just restricted to what could be flooded every generation or so. Parks are great. And parks that can serve as spill zones during torrential rainfalls, are great times two.

BTW No disrespect to anybody. I am so encouraged by Texas response that I think we should be inspired by it. Use this opportunity to do something great as well as meet people’s immediate needs.


17 posted on 08/30/2017 10:29:09 AM PDT by Redmen4ever (u)
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To: discostu
It’s not like Houston floods all the time.

LOL - streets flood even during a thunderstorm, and every time there's more than a couple of inches of rain, some buildings flood.

Houston and Harris County politicians have simply ignored needed improvements in drainage to benefit their developer buddies and shovel cash to illegals, their kids, and the native indolent classes, like most of the rest of the US.

18 posted on 08/30/2017 10:34:40 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Redmen4ever

Professor Clifford Thies, are you good at economics? If you are you had best stick to that and stop talking out of your hat because you don’t know the first thing about hydrology or flood control.

I won’t even bother to explain why you are wrong because you are so wrong in so many areas.

Houston is built in a really bad place. It is going to flood and it is too late to stop that. It is going to flood worse because it is also sinking.


19 posted on 08/30/2017 10:35:33 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: Redmen4ever

whitecaps 20 miles inland:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/whitecap-waves-seen-20-miles-inland-in-texas/vi-AAqZAPy?ocid=spartanntp


20 posted on 08/30/2017 10:36:29 AM PDT by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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