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Mattis freezes transgender policy; allows troops to continue serving, pending study
https://www.usatoday.com ^ | August 29, 2017 | Tom Vanden Brook

Posted on 08/30/2017 7:38:33 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

Edited on 08/30/2017 9:41:37 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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KEYWORDS: mattis; militarytransgenders
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As usual a very misleading headline from the Trump-hating media. If you read what the president's guidelines were he said no more enlistments of transgenders and there will be no more "sex change" surgeries unless someone's already hopped up on all kinds of drugs and laying on the operating table. As for Mattis he was specifically given guidance to figure out how to deal with these people that are currently serving, and when to discharge them. Once again the media hates Donald Trump and wants to give the impression that Mattis calls all the shots on the military, not Trump. For a far more accurate assessment of the new policy click below.

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/trump-shuts-transgenders-out-of-the-military

1 posted on 08/30/2017 7:38:33 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
You're right...the usual. The policy is under review and Trump is looking for input.

Media needs to get back to important stuff....like Melania's high heels.

2 posted on 08/30/2017 7:41:34 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: NKP_Vet

The msm condemns Melania for wearing heels but they praise the military for doing so.


3 posted on 08/30/2017 7:41:36 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: NKP_Vet

If they include Bradley Manning in their study it will skew the results.


4 posted on 08/30/2017 7:41:39 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: bgill

Good line. If only Melania had been born a man, praise would be effusive.
Message to those who serve but have these mental issues: You are all a drag on the military, and you should resign now. But, it’s all about getting taxpayers to pay for your illness, isn’t it?


5 posted on 08/30/2017 7:51:26 AM PDT by alstewartfan (We have no money but we stay afloat. The Jellyfishes don't scare us. Al Stewart from Red Toupee)
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To: NKP_Vet

Raise your hand if you believe there are thousands of transgender troops.


6 posted on 08/30/2017 7:55:02 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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7 posted on 08/30/2017 7:57:33 AM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (We were Trumpin' before Trumpin' was cool.....)
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...he said no more enlistments of transgenders and there will be no more “sex change” surgeries...


And that is really all we’re asking for. The six that are already in can stay in. And if they want surgery, they are free to get it on their own dime.


8 posted on 08/30/2017 8:00:50 AM PDT by robroys woman
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To: tired&retired

There are two simple issues that they can’t get past.

1. If you agree to fund the medical procedures here...it would easily go over $100,000 per episode. But you also open the door where Sergeant Joe’s wife comes in and she wants a boob-job....free of charge, and DoD would have to start paying for that. Then Sergeant Joe’s son would come in (16 years old) and ask for the transgender surgery, and you’d have to pay for that, and then Sergeant Joe’s daughter would come in (14 years old) and ask for a boob-job as well. The price-tag? You could be talking about $500-million a year minimum.

2. Doctors say that for each person undergoing the gender medical procedure....you can figure that the individual is NOT deplorable for at least 200 days. Why would you keep a guy on your pay-roll...if they weren’t of any deployable use for 200 days? Would the NFL keep such a guy? Would the NBA keep such a guy?

Both of these problems make this almost impossible to iron-out a workable policy. Unless you said no money would pay for the surgery, or that you’d move the guy for his 200-days to some reserve status and pretend he doesn’t exist.


9 posted on 08/30/2017 8:01:07 AM PDT by pepsionice
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This is not a money issue. It’s a common sense decency issue. Making it about money gives the issue validity and credence that it doesn’t deserve.


10 posted on 08/30/2017 8:04:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Agreed. Melania’s fashion is the only reporting where they actually tell the truth.

She is absolutely the best and loveliest FLOTUS!


11 posted on 08/30/2017 8:08:06 AM PDT by Lopeover (The 2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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Lovely is the right word....inside and out. How lucky we are!


12 posted on 08/30/2017 8:12:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Vlad The Inhaler

Exactly...lets send as many mentally ill and unstable people into combat, before or after transition! Damn Unit Cohesion!


13 posted on 08/30/2017 8:13:57 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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That’s our boy. Buying time to decide how, when, and IF they will allow trannies to stay in. Nevermind what the commander in chief said.

But I’m sure Mattis will say something dramatic, worthy of a meme and everyone will forgive him.


14 posted on 08/30/2017 8:16:09 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hhate dogs. Add that up.)
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.... if it will allow thousands of transgender troops....

Thousands? I call bull crap on that claim. Maybe dozens. Maybe.

15 posted on 08/30/2017 8:18:19 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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Exactly...lets send as many mentally ill and unstable people into combat, before or after transition!

That is the elephant in the room. This is a mental condition that the left is trying to call normal. Mentally ill and unstable people are obviously not fit for duty especially in combat. This is for the good of themselves and their comrades. What we are witnessing on the left is another example of the death of common sense. Another “study” is a complete waste of time and money.

16 posted on 08/30/2017 8:22:56 AM PDT by fireman15
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The bottom line, if Mattis was HALF as aggressive as all his memes and quotes implied, Trump gave him an golden opportunity/excuse to RIF out every one of the perverts by Friday.

Anyone remember all of the true quality warfighters that were cashed out in the 90s and discharged for the peace dividend? Career navy men, pilots of all types, expert soldiers, etc. Nobody had a blue ribbon committee study to decide how to best get rid of them. It was just a discharge and a thanks if they were lucky.

It took Obama an afternoon to decide the perverts could come in with an executive order. Now we stumble along and talk about a long careful process to get them out.

Mattis was given a golden opportunity to show some aggression.


17 posted on 08/30/2017 8:24:40 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hhate dogs. Add that up.)
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One extremely important issue is always missed in this discussion: Every last one of these, mentally insane, service members will be rated at 100% disability, by the Veterans Administration, and receive compensation for the remainder of their lives. If the Federal Government provided for the sex change surgery; who could possibly argue that it was not a “Service Connected” disability.

Every one of them will magically claim some form of PTSD; brought about by stress and hazing from other service members.

Worse yet; Service Members will be forced to submit to the Insanity or face prosecution. This foolishness must stop!


18 posted on 08/30/2017 8:35:03 AM PDT by Gunner TLW
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True. Also how long would have taken Chester Nimitz or Alexander Vandegrift to decide this question? That “study“ should be done and on Trumps desk by Friday.

Who knows? The next and worse September 11th could be a week away.

Navy ships in idiotic collisions with lumbering giants have become a laughingstock. How many collisions did the Chinese Navy have this summer? 74% of the USMC F-18s are grounded for maintenance. Half of the overall navy and USMC air is unfit for flight today.

And our generals and admirals are about to spend 5 months studying how perverts cut off their penises and if it affects their deployability. Mattis needs to do his actual damned job.


19 posted on 08/30/2017 8:40:54 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hhate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: pepsionice

I did a presentation for a small think tank group in the Naval Intelligence Building in Arlington VA back in 2002. It was an all day presentation and one topic I included was the psychological changes in the military and the impact upon the upcoming war. (This was after 9-11 but prior to our entry into the Iraq war.)

The presentation included the psychological status of soldiers and how it has changed since the Vietnam War.

I made two very emphatic statements predicting what would happen in the upcoming war.

1. Soldiers will not follow orders as they did in the past. Previously, they would follow orders, even including those which called for their killing others or risking their own lives.

2. The rate of PTSD will sky rocket.

A General attending the meeting spoke up and stated that they are already finding that soldiers are not following orders. You can see that my prediction relating to a PTSD increase was accurate.

The reason has to do with the individual’s identity and perception of self. In the Vietnam War, young men right out of high school were run through a rigorous basic training that diminished any sense of individual identity and imposed a dependency group identity creating a surrender of individual will to the group and to the leader.

The current military is composed of an older soldier, including many reservists, who have careers, families and established individual identities. Current basic training can not crush individual identities as it would create many problems by destroying established relationships in the family and work environment. The values and moral identity of the individual are formulated around the individual identity.

Thus, the current soldiers are running every order through their individual moral judgement system prior to deciding whether to follow an order. And, in addition are then taking personal responsibility for their actions in carrying out the order. PTSD is often referred to as “Moral Injury.” (Although this is only one type of PTSD)

In the Vietnam War soldiers would follow the order, but not take personal responsibility as they were “Just following orders” and due to the dependency identity did not take personal responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

You can see by my summary of a very complex topic that “Gender Identity” is a further exacerbation of the “individual identity” that is creating all the problems in the current military. I can demonstrate this in a lab setting, proving the instability of the consciousness that has altered its identity from the norm. There is no place for a big ego identity in the military command structure and the gender identity is one of the biggest ego identities.

This is what created the predisposition to manipulation resulting in the Bradley Manning situation.

You can blindfold an individual with a destabilized consciousness and put ear plugs in their ears. I can knock them off their feet from 15 feet away without touching them, just by manipulating their unstable consciousness around their physical body. Such individuals are unfit for a military environment.


20 posted on 08/30/2017 8:56:33 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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