Posted on 08/25/2017 10:38:53 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
Edited on 08/25/2017 10:56:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
A year-long legal battle over the Democratic National Committee
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The best case scenario is that democrats take the judge's ruling that it is not the court's job to reform the party, and reform it themselves. It doesn't seem likely, though.
Obama or Clinton appointed judge?
Reagan
My quick take: There is nothing illegal about the DNC rigging the primaries to favor Hillary.
Immoral for sure but not illegal.
That could be a correct ruling.
Just damn ! :-(
Makes those fundraising junkets a bit pointless huh? The Democrat primary is a farce. Welfare payments to the networks for commercials promoting candidates who are not authorized to be winners, voters be damned.
Some of us predicted there would be no ruling against the Democrat Party. It was as stupid a case as that filed by an old dumbass against the GOP.
This may be an instance where the merits of the case don't matter. After all, this is the party of feelings. If the rank and file don't feel their input matters, then the party will lose a lot of people willing to get signatures, register voters, (dead and living), get out the vote, etc.
In that case it made sense that the party could run primaries however they wanted to, just like the Elks could run their elections for officers anyway they wanted to.
However, it is now the case that primary elections are run by state and local political entities financed by taxpayer dollars.
It doesn't seem right that political parties can do whatever they want in the primaries if they are not footing the entire bill.
I think this is one of the reasons that states like California are moving to open primaries, i.e. if the parties aren't footing the bill then it's an open free-for-all as to who gets chosen.
Republicans tend to be against open primaries. If they want to keep their primaries closed, then maybe they need to fund the process entirely themselves.
DNC Fraud Lawsuit transcript.
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA 4/25/17
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3556714/posts?page=1
I marvel that Democrats are genuinely outraged that Sanders was cheated out of their party’s nomination. They don’t seem to find their voting in Republican primaries to be an outrageous or low thing to do.
“If Y’All gonna eat your own, dig in!”
Each state party’s executive committee can decide whether to have a primary, a convention, or a caucus — or a combination — to select delegates to the National Convention. In fact, in WV in 2008 there was a (one-time) party convention to select 18 of the 27 delegates, with the primary selecting only 9. It was unpopular, so not repeated by the state party. State law may refer to a primary, but not how many delegates are thereby chosen.
In related news:
If you lose money to a Three-card Monte trickster on a NYC corner, don’t expect the police or courts to help you.
Most liberals will think they figured out the trick and play again next time.
Immoral for sure but not illegal.
That could be a correct ruling.
But, did the DNC commit fraud in doing so?
This is very good news as it will only make Bernie’s basement brigade angrier and more aggressive against the Donkeys.
The judge’s check must have cleared.
He should appeal.
I’m surprised this story got so little attention from Freepers.
I don’t know all the details of the claim but from what I do know, this was a bad ruling.
I could be off point, but the plaintiffs claimed the DNC defrauded them out of money. The DNC kept telling people that they were “neutral” as to who would win the primary. They made this claim many times while they raised money from Bernie supporters. It is now known that the DNC was not impartial but they actively worked to get Hillary the nomination. The Bernie supporters who donated to the DNC feel they are defrauded. I agree.
The article says that the judge ruled it is “impossible to know who was defrauded”. But that is preposterous. Anyone who gave money to the DNC and to Bernie and not to Hillary would qualify.
There is another hiccup though. The DNC primary is a rigged process. Both major parties have superdelegates but the Democrats have way more than the GOP. And the D party has a proportional distribution of state delegates, no winner take all. This creates a situation where the party bosses basically determine the outcome. The actual primary votes are in most cases just a pretense at a democratic process. We all know how politics work. The high ranking people pressure the low ranking people to do their bidding. They tell people “if you don’t vote our way you will lose your committee assignments, we won’t send people to support your fundraising events, we won’t help with your get out the vote effort, and we may even run a challenger against you next election”. And Hillary had a big head start on raising money, she sucked the air out from most challengers. And most of the party insiders wanted her. So she got nearly all of the Super Delegate votes.
In a 2 person race, if one person gets the Super Delegate votes they will win the nomination. It is mathematically impossible to lose because of the proportional distribution of state delegates. Bernie could have won every state as big as he won Washington (Bernie got almost 75% of the D primary votes). But because it is not winner take all, Hillary still got 25% of the delegates. With all the Super Delegate votes in her pocket she could lose every primary and still win.
So I can definitely see why the Bernie supporters think they were defrauded. They were flat lied to by the DNC to induce a donation. In my mind this is plain as day. But they were also working against a rigged primary. There was no way Bernie would win under a proportional distribution system with Super Delegates breaking for Hillary. And as members of the party, they should have known this.
I can’t help but think this whole episode is emblematic of the Dem party and Dem political leaders. They are the most phony, insincere demagogues in history. Everything from the left is about appearances, not substance. They even designed their primary system to give the appearance of populism knowing full well that most of the time it doesn’t matter how the states vote, the bosses will decide the winner. Anyone who remains a member of the Dem party is a willing dupe, a sucker.
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