Posted on 08/22/2017 11:38:08 PM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect
he U.S. Navy will relieve the commander of its 7th Fleet from duty after the fleet suffered its second deadly mishap in less than three months, a U.S. defense official confirmed to Fox News.
An official statement from the Navy regarding the relief of Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin was expected late Tuesday night. The decision was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.
The 7th Fleet has been involved in three collisions since January, the last two of which have resulted in the deaths of 17 sailors.
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Just wondering why you find that interesting...Seriously, I know little about Navy protocol, etc...so just wondering if you could explain :)
He’ll retire as an O-9. I’d trade places with him, wouldn’t you?
“According to the Journal, Aucoin was expected to retire in coming weeks, but under the Navy’s tradition of public accountability, commanders or ship captains are dismissed as soon as their superiors lose confidence in their leadership.”
Generally, if I remember correctly, the buck usually stopped at the ship’s Captain. This time, they jumped up a couple of steps in the Chain of command and fired the Fleet commander. It indicates to me a perception that this is systemic, not individual ship failures.
I am a retired Army officer, most General and Flag Officer reliefs of which I am aware involve personal misconduct (adultery, financial irregularities, etc...). This is a firing for an operational failure, something that has been very rare over the recent past.
Financially yes, but I was never relieved of duty. That is a black mark on his pride. It will also could impact his post-retirement prospects. But it is fair to note that a Vice Admiral won’t pinch pennies and be on food stamps.
I guess the navy Obama built...destroyed is bearing fruit.
No because you will never hear that they found out the truth in the GPS shifting and radar hacking and secondly they would never ever admit they were wrong up in the crystal palace called the Pentagon.
Accountable for what? The fleet commander isn’t responsible for training the ship cruise. That’s the type commanders job? So maybe an Advil should be held accountable but maybe it’s not the fleet commander.
I am a retired Army officer, most General and Flag Officer reliefs of which I am aware involve personal misconduct (adultery, financial irregularities, etc...). This is a firing for an operational failure, something that has been very rare over the recent past.
After 9/11 when two aircraft carriers could not get underway due to readiness issues {equipment failures} their Captains were relieved of duty but not a Star fell. The cause of the carriers unable to get underway were likely funding issue related to parts as well as some task require a shipyard to accomplish.
The Navy or rather The Pentagon and more specifically Congress has been playing a very dangerous game since the early 1990's and beginning under Poppy Bush and continuing for every administration and congressional session since of sending ships unfit for getting underway to sea. Then IIRC under Obama many ships sat idle in port for a long time which will greatly diminish training and overall readiness.
To figure it out in that respect the ships involved underway {at sea} schedule for the past 4 years {not the same thing as their deployment schedule but includes deployments}, their shipyard rotations as well as looking at their 2 Kilo {work request} for shipyard repairs, vs what actually got funded would need to be known.
It sounds like many things combined have likely cause a breakdown in equipment and skills needed. Causes that may be out of the hands of the ships Captains if the Navy doesn't pay for training or funding is held up by Congress. As I understand it some ratings in Navigation related duties require land based refresher classes. I'm thinking Quatermasters.
So the question is, with all this navigating redundancy - human and electronic - built in, why have there been two collisions and one grounding in the last 6 months all in the same area of the Pacific?
I don't know. Something does not make sense here is what I am saying. These are Aegis class ships that can track an “incoming bumble bee” from over the horizon. I find it hard to believe that the nav systems and processes failed so frequently in waters that are sailed every day.
This is what happens when you have a Navy more concerned with social issues then military preparedness.
Back in 1979 I worked as a Liberty Launch Engineman on a Med Sea Cruise. We anchored about a mile and a half out off Venice, Italy one morning and began running boats from ship to shore for Liberty Call. After Dusk Navy Regs required a Commissioned Officer be on board the boat if we were underway going to or from the ship to shore.
A Squadron Officer walked on board the boat with his map and his compass and proceed to set our course which was almost 90 degrees different than that of what we had gone all day. We were well experienced at night runs and in during our trips in and out had found landmarks, marker lights on buoys, etc which we used. He insisted he was right so off we went and in about 15 minutes I heard the screw come out of the water. We were in about 2 feet of water. I told the Coxun to stop the boat and put in in reverse at just above idle and we backed out. The Officer had no more orders for us that evening LOL.
BTW in a fog bank one night we were running a 50' boat back to ship and hit a fog bank right outside the sea wall. All of the sudden we saw massive lights and saw people inside the staterooms from a cruise liner that barely missed us. The ships Sonar Techs got us back to the ship finally but it took time for them to determine who was who.
What the hell's an "Advil"? You talking about the pain reliever pill? Or is that some sort of in-house shorthand?
I wondering if there isn’t some sort of signal interference technology being played with by someone. I think I recall one of our ships encountering such several years ago. One of our ships was buzzed by Russia...anyone recall?
If nothing else, the watchstanders should have *seen* the freighter or tanker they hit (because they’re still required to keep watch with the Mk1 Eyeball) well in advance due to running lights even if all their electronics had failed or were spoofed.
Please, tell me again how you would spoof someone’s eyes from not seeing a giant, clearly marked merchant ship? That’s like saying you didn’t see the football stadium you drove your car into.
An admiral needed to be fired for these two mishaps.
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