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Marco Rubio: Trump's immigration bill is 'not going to pass' the Senate
Washington Times ^ | August 7, 2017 | Melissa Quinn

Posted on 08/07/2017 5:53:54 PM PDT by C19fan

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., thinks a new bill implementing a merit-based point system for foreigners seeking legal permanent status will never pass the Senate, even though it has President Trump's backing. "That bill's not going to pass," told CBS 4 in an interview Sunday. "I think the White House knows that you don't have 60 votes for that in the Senate."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 115th; illegals; immigration; immigrationreform; laraza; openborders; rino; third100days; trump45
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To: central_va
You go on to say most of the places would be shrinking for other reasons but you fail to state any of those reasons. What the hell kind of argument is that?

For one thing, the places are shrinking because many of these industries are moving to other places in the U.S. I've cited an example here a number of times of a major plastics manufacturer not far from me that is in the final stages of closing down one of the largest industrial sites in the county.

The company is not "offshoring" anything. It's just an old plant that needs to be completely rebuilt anyway ... and rather than rebuild it they are consolidating five different plants around the U.S. into one giant new facility in Louisiana or Texas that they built for something like $1.2 billion.

Interestingly, one of the reasons the company chose the Gulf Coast site is that it offered something that they couldn't get around here: pipeline capacity. The industrial process they use involves some hazardous materials that were shipped into their local plant here on railroad tank cars. For safety and efficiency reasons they are moving to pipelines to transport those materials now ... and the local plant here is surrounded by towns filled with people who have been opposing every pipeline project on the books.

So when the time came for them to make a decision about the future of this plant, shutting it down was an easy decision to make.

What would industrial output be if we still had an electronics industry, a furniture industry, a textile industry, a replacement car parts industry, an air conditioning industry? I could go on and on.

Do you really think Americans would be buying more furniture, more electronics, more textiles, more car parts, and more air conditioners if we had those industries here?

101 posted on 08/08/2017 9:27:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: Alberta's Child
Do you really think Americans would be buying more furniture, more electronics, more textiles, more car parts, and more air conditioners if we had those industries here?

This shows a complete lack of understanding of economics on your part. If the factories were still here then the factory workers would also be consumers, they would use services and this multiplier effect creates even more jobs. They would also pay taxes and the local small town goes on. THIS HOW AN INDUSTRIAL ECONOMY WORKS.

102 posted on 08/08/2017 9:33:32 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
I actually understand economics quite well. My job relies on it.

1. Could U.S. consumers even buy every air conditioner that the industry has the capacity to produce in a U.S. plant?

2. If I have a choice between buying an American-made air conditioner for $300 and a foreign-made one for $250, I'll buy the American-made one. But that means there's $50 less for me to spend on something else, doesn't it?

I'm sure the U.S. shoe industry doesn't rely on any "multiplier effect" from me ... because I just bought my first new pair of shoes in about seven years.

I'm sure the U.S. auto industry doesn't rely on any "multiplier effect" from me ... because I'm driving a truck that is more than 10 years old.

And I really hope that my $300 air conditioner lasts me 15-20 years ... because if it's just going to crap out after five years through a "designed obsolescence" strategy by the manufacturer to keep me coming back to buy more, then I might as well buy the foreign-made $250 model.

The "multiplier effect" you describe isn't the only thing involved here. In an industrial economy, there is an insatiable need for an ever-growing pile of new consumers to keep the industrial base functioning ... which is what drives our open-borders immigration policy. Are you an open-borders advocate now?

103 posted on 08/08/2017 9:43:05 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: Alberta's Child
f I have a choice between buying an American-made air conditioner for $300 and a foreign-made one for $250, I'll buy the American-made one. But that means there's $50 less for me to spend on something else, doesn't it?

But that is not what is happening. I will give three examples. The Ford Focus, Oreo cookies and Carrier Air conditioners. The production of all of those were off shored to Mexico. All of those products cost exactly the same an they did when they were made in the USA. The difference in labor($3 in Mexico, $30 in the USA) saves about 3-5% of the cost of production and all of that difference goes to the bottom line not into consumer savings.

104 posted on 08/08/2017 9:52:48 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Alberta's Child

You’re an economic dunce. God save us from your type of small minded thinking.


105 posted on 08/08/2017 9:54:03 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Did it ever occur to you that they moved to Mexico for reasons other than lower labor costs?


106 posted on 08/08/2017 10:02:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: central_va

Why don’t you sit there and post your resume so we can see where YOUR economic prowess comes from.


107 posted on 08/08/2017 10:03:10 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: Alberta's Child
Did it ever occur to you that they moved to Mexico for reasons other than lower labor costs?

It's about labor. When asked the Carrier's CEO couldn't name one tax or regulation that was the cause of the move to Mexico. Dirt cheap 3rd world labor is like crack cocaine to these globalist CEO's.

108 posted on 08/08/2017 10:05:09 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
On its face, it looks to me as if the labor cost differential would hardly offset the higher costs of transportation and utilities.

But then again, I know better than to presume I know more about someone else's line of business than they do.

109 posted on 08/08/2017 10:12:06 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: central_va
Well, here's an answer that partially explains what's going on with the Ford Focus, at least ...

In 2013 the Focus was the top-selling car model in the world. Ford sold almost 1.1 million of them globally.

Of those, only 241,000 were sold in the U.S.

So why would you expect Ford to produce a certain car model in the U.S. when the U.S. only accounts for about 22% of its global sales for that model?

110 posted on 08/08/2017 10:19:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: Alberta's Child
P.S. -- I believe China accounted for more than 400,000 of those sales in 2013. So the Chinese market for the Ford Focus is about 65% larger than the U.S. market.

Is it possible that the location of a Ford Focus plant has more to do with the size of the customer base than the cost of the labor?

111 posted on 08/08/2017 10:22:01 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: C19fan
Breaking His Promise Not to Run for Re-Election, Marco Rubio Must Answer for His Record

I blame everyone who voted to re-elect him in 2016 after he proved to be a liar.
112 posted on 08/08/2017 10:34:23 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Those are my principles, and if you do not like them...well I have others. - Groucho Marx)
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To: C19fan

The cap should be zero!


113 posted on 08/08/2017 12:08:45 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: pfony1

They, the Maine gop, had better because there is a 100% right wing pro-Trump, ChristianPatriot running as a write in candidate.


114 posted on 08/09/2017 5:16:29 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)
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