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The Russians Were Involved. But It Wasn’t About Collusion.
NY Times ^

Posted on 07/28/2017 7:46:48 PM PDT by springwater13

The evidence that has emerged from this meeting strongly suggests that this was not an effort to establish a secure back channel for collusion between Moscow and the Trump campaign but an influence operation with one simple objective: to undermine the presidential election.

Sophisticated Russian intelligence tradecraft that was meant to be kept secret would not have permitted such an insecure opening gambit for establishing continuing communication with the Trump campaign. They would not have used something as insecure as email, or relied on liaison cutouts who could so easily be traced to the Kremlin. Instead, the Russians who attended the meeting had obvious Kremlin ties, including Natalia Veselnitskaya, a Moscow lawyer who has done work on behalf of the F.S.B.; Rinat Akhmetshin, a Russian-American lobbyist who served in the Soviet military; and Mr. Agalarov, whose father is a real estate titan close to Mr. Putin.

I can’t say how news of the meeting broke, but once it did, Mr. Putin achieved one of his goals: throwing the American government into greater turmoil amid the frenzied media coverage, escalating F.B.I. and congressional investigations and intensified political conflict. And with the revelation that Russia was behind the meddling, Mr. Putin achieved another objective: to allow Russia, despite its economic and military inferiority, to claim that it could rival the United States on the global playing field. He could do all this while denying, with a wink and a nod, any involvement.

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TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: clinton; fakenews; nyt; nytimes; nyts; putin; russia; trump
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This is shocking that it has been published in the NY Times. The "collusion" narrative is quickly dying with all the new evidence.
1 posted on 07/28/2017 7:46:48 PM PDT by springwater13
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To: springwater13

I’ve never heard anything but whining about RT and the existence of the internet this whole time anyway.


2 posted on 07/28/2017 7:49:55 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: springwater13

So then we can stop the special council? Apparently there is no need for it.


3 posted on 07/28/2017 7:55:09 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: springwater13

After nine months of searching, Trump’s enemies haven’t uncovered a single shred of evidence the Russians changed votes from Hillary in his favor.

All of they have are a pile of baseless assertions they laughably call “evidence.” Its a fallacy called “begging the question” since the conclusion is the same as the premise.

Then again, this never was about Russia. This is about the legitimacy of Trump’s win and the Deep State’s inability to accept him as President.


4 posted on 07/28/2017 7:56:15 PM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: springwater13

What hasn’t died is “collusion” as cover for illegal surveillance of your political enemies. Using intel agencies to do the dirty work, and using quasi-legal surveillance as cover for other more directly illegal surveillance.

What hasn’t been admitted yet is that Obama (and the people he fronts for) always have the goods on his rivals. Phones are tapped, sealed records unsealed, firewalls breached, whatever it takes. It is his MO from the very beginning. Congressmen, journalists, rival politicians, it doesn’t matter, he has them investigated and surveilled. Some kind of legal veneer can be applied later, or you use people at arms length who can be denied, or you simply deny all knowledge even though they are on your payroll.


5 posted on 07/28/2017 7:56:39 PM PDT by marron
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To: Parley Baer

Of course not. Deep State operative Mueller must keep digging until he finds some fake dirt to launch a coup d’état over.


6 posted on 07/28/2017 7:57:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Je Suis Pepe)
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To: Parley Baer

RCC: Russian Clinton Conspiracy


7 posted on 07/28/2017 7:59:14 PM PDT by Mark (Celebrities... is there anything they do not know? -Homer Simpson)
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To: springwater13

“Daniel Hoffman, a former chief of station for the C.I.A., worked for over 30 years for the United States government in Russia, Europe, the Middle East and South Asia.”: The opinion piece sounds like an effort to concede there was no collusion while still diverting attention away from the Democrats’ connection to Fusion GPS.


8 posted on 07/28/2017 7:59:57 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: springwater13

My theory all along has been this: the Russians, like almost everyone else, expected Hitlery to win. Their efforts were to weaken Hitlery before the election as much as possible in order to weaken her status in office.

So Trump and the Russians both targeted Hitlery. No collusion just a common enemy.

To the degree the Russians also engaged in ways to denigrate Trump, like that hooker dossier, I would say it was just a bit of distraction.... they hit on Trump a little bit just to cover their bases...but he was NEVER “supposed” to win.


9 posted on 07/28/2017 8:01:22 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: springwater13

“No conclusive proof has yet emerged that the Kremlin arranged this meeting”

I like how they slip in these no proof deals. I wonder if the nyt is trying to get ahead of something coming down the road that is not good for the dimoKKKRATS?


10 posted on 07/28/2017 8:03:59 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: The Toll

NYT is running for the reputation lifeboats. I think they finally realize this whole thing is going to explode and a lot of Democrats are headed toward the unemployment line if they don’t wind up in jail.


11 posted on 07/28/2017 8:04:32 PM PDT by Datom (Still runnin' "Against the Wind.")
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To: goldstategop

Perhaps the other question to ask here....did the US collude in the 2011 Russian legislature election? The general evidence is ‘yes’.


12 posted on 07/28/2017 8:05:24 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Parley Baer

Friday night dump by the NYT?


13 posted on 07/28/2017 8:05:55 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: springwater13

Ping for future reference


14 posted on 07/28/2017 8:08:17 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Message to Trump : I am not tired of winning yet. Please more winning ! Get your crap together fast!)
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To: goldstategop
You knew the whole story was a fraud when you had the most radical left-wing Democrats insisting that we should take the word of more than a dozen U.S. intelligence agencies on faith alone.

I never thought I'd see the day. In fact, there was a time not long ago that Democrats in this country would have found even the idea of having a dozen U.S. intelligence agencies repulsive.

15 posted on 07/28/2017 8:12:09 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: Parley Baer
So then we can stop the special council? Apparently there is no need for it.

There is plenty of need for investigations. Only it's the democrats who need to be investigated.

16 posted on 07/28/2017 8:17:17 PM PDT by ETL (Obama-Hillary, the REAL Russia-US scandal (UraniumOne Deal, Missile Defense, Nukes) See my home page)
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To: springwater13
They would not have used something as insecure as email

Bwahahahaa-hahaha... that's cuz Pootie Poot wasn't a U.S. Secretary of State or the World's Smartest Woman TM!

17 posted on 07/28/2017 8:22:48 PM PDT by piasa
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To: Fedora
It sounds more like the author has reached the following conclusion without even meaning to:

1. The Russians never meddled in any election.

2. They simply dealt with U.S. political campaigns the same way they've been doing it for years.

3. Hillary Clinton, the Democrats, a bunch of establishment Republicans, and their media flacks fabricated a story out of thin air about "Russian interference in the election."

4. The U.S. government is paralyzed by a story that is completely false, and was a construct of a bunch of @ssholes in Washington.

5. Therefore (somehow), the Russians successfully undermined the public trust in the U.S. election system.

WTF? Is this guy really blaming the Russians for all of the stupidity we've seen in Washington over the last seven months? LMAO.

18 posted on 07/28/2017 8:22:54 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris." -- President Trump, 6/1/2017)
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To: springwater13

I wonder if this story was leaked to the NYT by someone on the special counsel? Also you will notice it is a Friday night dump where it will do the least damage.


19 posted on 07/28/2017 8:32:31 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: springwater13

The SlimNYT has always been colluding with the CPUSA.


20 posted on 07/28/2017 8:32:46 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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