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2 more GOP senators oppose health bill, killing it for now
AP ^ | July 17, 2017 | Alan Fram

Posted on 07/18/2017 4:19:51 AM PDT by C19fan

The latest GOP effort to repeal and replace "Obamacare" was fatally wounded in the Senate Monday night when two more Republican senators announced their opposition to legislation strongly backed by President Donald Trump.

The announcements from Sens. Mike Lee of Utah and Jerry Moran of Kansas left the Republican Party's long-promised efforts to get rid of President Barack Obama's health care legislation reeling. Next steps, if any, were not immediately clear.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gop; health; obamacare
They had 8 years to hammer something out but just like some college kids tried to cram for the finals. Like herding cats with such a wide spectrum of views from Mo Money to some libertarian utopia vision.
1 posted on 07/18/2017 4:19:52 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

They had sure better repeal it now.


2 posted on 07/18/2017 4:27:17 AM PDT by YepYep (Build the America you want at your house and keep looking up.)
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To: C19fan

I believe “fixing” Obamacare is impossible. Even if they could pass a replacement bill, I think it would fail over time and be considered a disaster — and it would have GOP fingerprints all over it.

“Replacing” Obamacare would eventually make the GOP look bad and harm them politically. (But the GOP always seems willing to shoulder that, since they are designated losers.)

Instead, Obamacare would just be repealed. Sure, that would be “heartless” and people would “die” and it would make the GOP “look bad” — but that’s unavoidable, right?

Just clear away the stumbling blocks. Let the market work. Sell people what they want and what they can afford. The government shouldn’t be selling a product or forcing people to buy a product. The government should simply allow companies to sell and allow the people to buy.

It’s not hard.


3 posted on 07/18/2017 4:32:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)
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To: C19fan

When push comes to shove, a goodly portion of the GOP Establishment are amiable dunces attuned to the bidding of Chuck Schumer.

There must be some unseen and obscene forces at work that prevent all the Democrats and an unhealthy proportion of Republicans to NOT see the great wrongs that Obamacare has visited upon America.

Single-payer is NOT an option in any free society. To the degree it has been adopted, single-payer has been the means by which ALL advances in medicine have been brought to a screeching halt.

Only in circumstances where there is a philanthropic benefactor, or a reliable fee-for-service, have the true advances in medicine ever been accomplished. Otherwise we would still be sewing up wounds with thread, treating infections with vinegar and blood-letting, and giving cancer patients mercury compounds. Life expectancy and recovery rates would be much lower.

Medical treatment is a rare and relative expensive option, to be used sparingly and in instances where the body cannot repair or restore itself by its own natural defenses. Doctors know that most ailments will not last more than a short while, and it is usually better in the morning. It is the chronic and high-morbidity sort of afflictions that really need the medical professional’s attention.

And we need to learn and pay attention to the difference.


4 posted on 07/18/2017 4:35:57 AM PDT by alloysteel (The difference between Illinois and Venezuela, is that toilet tissue is still available in Illinois.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Just clear away the stumbling blocks. Let the market work.


Impossible. Covering preexisting conditions is a MASSIVE new entitlement program. No way around it. It will have to be subsidized by fedzilla. And you know what that means.


5 posted on 07/18/2017 4:36:21 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Everything always stays the same — until it doesn’t.

The current fact of life is that entitlement programs never go away. Once established, they are immortal.

That won’t change, until it does. I don’t know if even President Trump can make it happen, but it would be a huge moral victory for LIMITED government if this country killed an entitlement program. The Obamacare mandate that people with preexisting conditions are forcibly subsidized by everyone else is killing health care in this country. If we get rid of that, everything changes.


6 posted on 07/18/2017 4:48:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Islam: You have to just love a "religion" based on rape and sex slavery.)
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To: YepYep

“They had sure better repeal it now.”

Don’t get your hopes up. The latest ‘plan’ by McConnell for full repeal is nothing more than political theater. He’s trying to protect himself from the full fallout of his failure by getting others onto the hook to share the blame.

What slim chance there was of actual healthcare legislation getting passed died last night. What follows now is just for show.


7 posted on 07/18/2017 4:55:19 AM PDT by The Numbers (God, Family and Country is Right.)
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To: C19fan

Repeal it and let it go back to where we were.

We were better off.

No way that national health care was going to work when they couldn’t even get Medicare and Medicaid to work.


8 posted on 07/18/2017 4:59:19 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: C19fan

Just another in a long string of Republican FAILURES, albeit an epic one this time. A failure for the ages.


9 posted on 07/18/2017 6:35:05 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Replacing” Obamacare would eventually make the GOP look bad and harm them politically. (But the GOP always seems willing to shoulder that, since they are designated losers.)

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Its hard to make the GOP look any worse than they already are. The words Republican and failure are virtually synonymous — and inseparable. Its hard to say one and not assume the other.

While it is undeniably true that they are the designated losers, they are only a symptom of a larger problem in my opinion. We elect them, allow them to deceive us, and then re-elect them again. So they are rewarded for their duplicitous behavior. We the base, need to step up and demand more from the people who want our votes.

That said, I totally agree with you that fixing Obamacare is impossible. There are simply too many moving parts in the massive, and intentionally complex, monstrosity of legislation.

I totally agree with you that the GOP should have just repealed Ocare. Its what they promised to do and every one of them should be held accountable for this epic failure.


10 posted on 07/18/2017 6:47:14 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: YepYep

before old nitch loads it with more kickbacks that no 1 calling themselves a conservation would vote for.

1 handed 1 finger typing is for the birds, glad when this cast comes off my right hand in a week, if the thumb surgery is stable won’t need a third one.

Mitch MCConnell slips more KICKBACK
deals into Senate healthcare bill
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/07/16/mitch-mcconnell-slips-more-kickbacks-into-the-senate-healthcare-bill/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_content=links&utm_campaign=20170717


11 posted on 07/18/2017 6:59:43 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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To: C19fan

they should be thrown out of office.....maybe an atlas shrugged moment by those that have been footing the bill needs to be considered


12 posted on 07/18/2017 10:54:46 AM PDT by Dont tread and Live
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