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Our Founding Fathers: A Perfect Plan or Fatally Flawed?
Redoubt News ^ | 7/7/17 | Paula Hart

Posted on 07/08/2017 12:22:47 PM PDT by Baynative

On Independence Day, I spent a lot of time thinking of our Founding Fathers. Not as historical leaders but as regular, everyday men. I thought about what it must have been like for them to live under such tyranny and oppression, their hopes and dreams of something so much better, and their willingness to fight and die to achieve it, all so they could ensure that future generations would never have to experience the things they had.

I, also, couldn’t help but notice that the country we live in today bears no resemblance to the one they fought so hard to create for us.

Look around.

How did we go from true Liberty and unalienable rights to almost complete oppression in 241 years? What changed?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: flawed; founders; perfect
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"Here’s the simple answer. WE DID. We the People changed. We became lazy, unaware, disconnected, distracted, and passive. We stopped doing our part in holding on to the power we were given. We stopped being vigilant. We have forgotten our country’s history. The Founding Fathers gave us one duty – ONE – and we are failing miserably in it."
1 posted on 07/08/2017 12:22:47 PM PDT by Baynative
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To: Baynative
The truth in this comment is almost painful. Look what we have allowed in just recent months: An investigation in the IRS being used against conservative and Christian organizations simply put on a shelf, the same with an investigation into Hillary Clinton's illegal server and destruction of evidence, the same with the actions following the murder of four Americans in Benghazi, the same with widespread illegal voting and fund raising by democrats, the same with AG Loretta Lynch's collusion to subvert justice and James Comey's lying while under oath.

Knowing that we have seen the rule of law and respect for authority set aside, so many of us still go about our business and let the swamp critters carry on as usual.

2 posted on 07/08/2017 12:24:56 PM PDT by Baynative ( Someone's going to have to pay for these carbon emissions, so it might as well be you.)
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To: Baynative

In general the FF’s did a great job. 2 perhaps fatal flaws, insufficient checks on the Judiciary and no mechanism to stop a political party from allying with the primary news outlets to subvert the founding principles.


3 posted on 07/08/2017 12:31:49 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: Baynative
Our founding fathers assumed a certain baseline: civilized persons as citizens of this new country. They constructed a foundation based on the rights of Englishman, and further elaborated on this foundation. They did not envision a Star Wars bar room populated by freaks, wastrels, and the sewage of the third world. Socialists, gibs-me-dats, and muslims—the termites gnawing at our foundations—were not part of their vision or plan.
4 posted on 07/08/2017 12:35:21 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie
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“Knowing that we have seen the rule of law and respect for authority set aside, so many of us still go about our business and let the swamp critters carry on as usual.”

The founders fully understood that what they founded would only last as long as the people appreciated it and defended it.

“A Republic... if you can keep it.”

We now know the answer.


5 posted on 07/08/2017 12:35:53 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Baynative

Yep. We are like the spoiled grandchild heirs of a great entrepreneuer who built a fortune through risk taking, innovation and diligent efforts. We have little appreciation for the legacy we’ve inherited and rather than investing the effort to build upon, or merely preserve that legacy, we mindlessly fritter it away...


6 posted on 07/08/2017 12:38:20 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Baynative

Over the years we insisted on exercising our 1st Amendment rights without also exercising the obligations that accompany them. The first Amendment is a two-edged sword. The many adversaries that live among us have the same rights and can destroy us with it. Example: muzzies will use it against us by pushing for sharia law.


7 posted on 07/08/2017 12:39:15 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Baynative

“A republic if you can keep it”

All instructions come with a CAUTION.


8 posted on 07/08/2017 12:40:23 PM PDT by VanDeKoik (.)
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""Here’s the simple answer. WE DID. We the People changed. We became lazy, unaware, disconnected, distracted, and passive. We stopped doing our part in holding on to the power we were given. We stopped being vigilant. We have forgotten our country’s history."
“Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, judges and governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature.” - Thomas Jefferson (Letter to Edward Carrington January 16, 1787)

9 posted on 07/08/2017 12:42:01 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Baynative
As the great Benjamin Franklin said,..."A Republic if you can keep it".

President Trump may very well have helped save our Republic thus far.

10 posted on 07/08/2017 12:43:59 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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“They did not envision a Star Wars bar room “

True, especially destructive is having 1 of the 2 major political parties in total alliance with these creatures.


11 posted on 07/08/2017 12:44:48 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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Giving women the vote was really the beginning of the end of American Individualism in favor of SJW victim/socialism.

Having Senators represent the People instead of their State’s interest also was a huge mistake, but hardly matters any more now that most States are mere shills for the Feds.

Then there is that behemouth unconstitutional NWO Bureaucracy that keeps on keepin’ on regardless of who we vote into “power.”

The NWO was a goal of at least some of the Founding Fathers, so that’s where the internal struggle has been from the get-go.

But, we don’t have to worry our pretty little heads about that, now do we. Like Bubba&Hill and Bush1&2 and Soeotoro keep telling us - Sovereignty is so yesterday and Individuals are just too stupid to know what’s good for them. To Resist is Futile....


12 posted on 07/08/2017 12:49:07 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Baynative; windcliff

I said this to someone in Spanish class the other day.

The Polish people “do not forget”. That is why they love Donald Trump.


13 posted on 07/08/2017 12:56:12 PM PDT by onedoug ( KEK)
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To: Baynative
The Greatest Generation raised The Worst Generation and the Baby Boomers flushed Righteousness, Godliness and Purity down the drain.

"A Republic, Madam, if you can keep it."

We kept it up until the last 60 years or so.

14 posted on 07/08/2017 12:59:27 PM PDT by LouAvul (The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.)
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“Giving women the vote was really the beginning of the end of American Individualism”

I think this is probably true therefore unavoidable. But remember this Trump did win the majority of the married women’s vote FWIW. Also sad to say without the woman vote the Rats would be gone. Sorry rummy chick if you read this but it ‘s just a fact


15 posted on 07/08/2017 1:05:47 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: Joe 6-pack

That only happened when the government started being the source of the people’s income.


16 posted on 07/08/2017 1:06:12 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: Baynative

This is sadly true.


17 posted on 07/08/2017 1:08:40 PM PDT by gattaca ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Baynative
How did we go from true Liberty and unalienable rights to almost complete oppression in 241 years?

Girl, you needs to travel.

Get out in the world and see what "complete oppression: really looks like.

18 posted on 07/08/2017 1:09:51 PM PDT by x
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To: Baynative

Not perfect, but far from “fatally flawed.” We just need to restore that vision.


19 posted on 07/08/2017 1:14:40 PM PDT by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

The founding fathers assumed the continuation of Religion.They did not foresee that a technology and wealth that permits a large segment of the population to live in idleness and the wealth of the country that would push religion out of the minds of most.


20 posted on 07/08/2017 1:24:17 PM PDT by arthurus
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