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Navy destroyer in Sea of Japan: A sideways collision or more fake news?
amercanthinker.com ^ | 6/17/2017 | Brian C. Joondeph

Posted on 06/17/2017 6:59:03 AM PDT by rktman

Yesterday’s news, aside from the usual Trump obstructing, colluding, and making money on his investments, included a ship collision. As described by ABC, a “Navy destroyer collides with container ship off coast of Japan.” NBC had a similar headline, “Navy destroyer collides with ship off Japan.”

Fox News worded their headline a little differently, “US Navy involved in collision.” As did CNN saying, “Navy destroyer collision off Japan.”

It was a terrible accident as US sailors are missing and potentially injured or worse, but my point is regarding the choice of words describing what happened.

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TOPICS: Japan; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gpsspoofing; maritime; radar; seamanship; usnavy; ussfitzgerald
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To: depressed in 06

Without knowing all the details, my guess is that the OOD on the destroyer lost the big picture and delayed calling the Captain to the bridge until it was to late to avoid the collision. JMO.


61 posted on 06/17/2017 8:57:22 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (t)
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To: rktman

Neither captain is in the right here. It is and should be embarrassing for both captains. The only way for this to be OK is if the ship was being stopped by the American Navy ship and it refused. Or if it was out of control and the Navy ship was trying to aid it. But for a destroyer to be hit by another ship does not look good. And it should never happen.

Lets let the story come out. And we will see what excuse they have. I hope its a good one. But right now there does not seem to be an acceptable cause.


62 posted on 06/17/2017 8:58:45 AM PDT by poinq
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To: silverleaf
Given the size of the container ship if had proceeded to t-bone the Fitz it would have cut her in half or crushed and sunk her

200 thousand tons at two knots. Do the math!

63 posted on 06/17/2017 9:01:13 AM PDT by Don Corleone (.leave the gun, take the canolis, take it to the mattress.)
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To: Fai Mao
"They were in a narrow harbor entrance...."

Multiple reports say collision took place 56 miles S of Yokosuka. This puts them in open sea, nowhere near the harbor.

Your conclusions are invalid.

64 posted on 06/17/2017 9:04:27 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: Mathews
Port to Port... Red to Red... the DDG was hit on the Starboard side (green) and the merchie was hit on the Port side (red), which means the DDG was the give way vessel.

Correct. From the initial evidence, I would say the DDG was seriously at fault. It's a tragedy, but unless some very unusual cicumstances come to light in the investigation, the crew of the DDG really dropped the ball. As a retired naval officer (SWO), I take no pleasure in saying this.

Pray for those sailors still missing at sea.

65 posted on 06/17/2017 9:04:48 AM PDT by JHL
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Good post. In another life I was a Navy ship driver. Our captain always expected us to make a significant maneuver to find open water well before we got close to another ship, regardless of who had the right of way. As we always said, “A collision at sea can ruin your entire day”.


66 posted on 06/17/2017 9:09:16 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: blueunicorn6
It was traveling in a very erratic manner....

from here...

67 posted on 06/17/2017 9:10:10 AM PDT by C210N
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To: Mathews

thank you for explaining the rules. I suspect the captain is going to get CM and the officer in command at the time.

The Navy hates getting in wrecks and is a sure fired way for a Naval career to go into the crapper.


68 posted on 06/17/2017 9:11:50 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: Mathews

provided it was a crossing situation. It could have been an overtaking situation. in this case the overtaking vessel is burdened. The ship being overtaken maintains course and speed.


69 posted on 06/17/2017 9:14:41 AM PDT by Bull Snipe (t)
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To: davidb56

“normally the larger, less manueverable ship has the right of way.”.

BINGO! Did anyone consider that possibly the destroyer was in the wrong and was attempting to get out of the way to avoid the collision? I’ll wait and see what the official Naval investigation tells us, NOT what some media wannabe expert writes.


70 posted on 06/17/2017 9:15:05 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Lion Den Dan

A long while back, “studies” proved that the “average American reading level” was appropriate to normal 6th graders.

The msm made it a priority to not write above the 6th grade level.

Now, the msm has no one in its industry capable of thinking above the 6th grade level.


71 posted on 06/17/2017 9:15:25 AM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: rktman

The photos tell who hit who! Any Cop can see that!


72 posted on 06/17/2017 9:15:52 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: eastforker
"..Any word as to the political affiliation of the merchant ship captain? Is it possible this was done on purpose? Inquiring minds would like to know.."

Mebbe the ol' gang from Asiana, Capt Sum Ting Wong, Ho Lee Fuk, and Bang Ding Ow survived the plane crash and got themselves reassigned to a cargo ship drivin' gig for the Japs! d;^)

73 posted on 06/17/2017 9:27:06 AM PDT by CopperTop (Outside the wire it's just us chickens. Dig?)
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To: C210N; All

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4612334/USS-Fitzgerald-involved-collision-merchant-vessel.html

The course of the cargo ship was erratic as it pulled a 180 before heading into course that brought it into collision with Fitzgerald
Will be an interesting investigation
Prayers for the missing ..


74 posted on 06/17/2017 9:33:31 AM PDT by silverleaf (We voted for change, not leftover change)
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To: Flag_This

If the story is to be believed, JFK was on a much smaller boat that could not out gun nor out run the bigger faster boat so they lay with all engines and lights out hoping to be passed bye. Of course that could have been a Washington and the cherry tree story too.


75 posted on 06/17/2017 9:38:49 AM PDT by poinq
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

however, the captains of both vessels equally bear the burden and responsibility to avoid collision at sea


76 posted on 06/17/2017 9:45:55 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen
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To: C210N

Hmmm. The Filipino flagged ACX Crystal doubled back and struck the Fitzgerald.

Hmmm.

77 posted on 06/17/2017 9:52:01 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Retain Mike

I wonder if the Navy vessel was headed into port, and liberty, and the people on the bridge didn’t want to lose time? Merchant vessels always steer the cheapest, fastest course, Navy vessels are in the not-for-profit sector.


78 posted on 06/17/2017 9:54:16 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: rktman

There is no passive to “collide”. Both objects involved in a collision collided with each other, even if one couldn’t avoid it.


79 posted on 06/17/2017 9:55:47 AM PDT by discostu (You are what you is, and that's all it is, you ain't what you're not, so see what you got.)
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To: diogenes ghost

You misquoted the position.


80 posted on 06/17/2017 9:55:48 AM PDT by TexasGator
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