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Returning to the Lion's Den [Scott Lively going on the Offensive against LGBTXYZP]
Scott Lively Ministries ^ | June 8, 2017 | Scott Lively

Posted on 06/09/2017 7:51:48 AM PDT by fwdude

After prayer and careful consideration, I, and my courageous wife, have decided, with the help of our stalwart legal team at Liberty Counsel, to take the unusual step of appealing the dismissal of the SMUG v Lively lawsuit to the First Circuit Court of Appeals. We believe that action is necessary to purge the prejudicial ruling of Judge Ponsor’s false and subjective assertion that the incidents in Uganda on which the suit is based (incidents by parties unknown to me that the record shows I had no part in) constitute crimes against humanity, lowering the standard for asserting such claims almost to nothing. While within US jurisprudence his statements might hopefully be recognized as mere editorializing and not legally binding, the same is not necessarily true in foreign and international courts where the ostensibly true (but actually false) statement “The United Stated Federal Court has ruled…” would severely undermine all Christian and morally conservative defendants charged with committing or even “inspiring” the type of garden variety civil rights abuses Judge Ponsor has said are now crimes against humanity.

His ruling:

http://lc.org/060617350LivelyOrderGrantingSummaryJudgment.pdf

To be clear, Judge Ponsor considers me guilty of the worst category of international crime for simply preaching the Biblical view against homosexuality and teaching about the history and tactics of the LGBT movement – because other people I never met or communicated with, including officials of an independent sovereign nation where homosexuality has always been illegal, might possibly have been indirectly influenced to be hostile toward homosexuals based on my comments, and then to commit, over a period of ten years, a handful of relatively minor civil rights abuses which I have publicly condemned. To be sure, Judge Ponsor’s false narrative harms not only my name, but also potentially subjects me to further harassment and litigation in state, federal or international courts. But, beyond the harms perpetrated against me, Judge Ponsor’s “ruling” can be used by SMUG and CCR to intimidate and punish fellow Christians who dare speak up for Biblical values. I cannot in good conscience countenance these harms.

In a Daily Beast interview, SMUG’s lead attorney Pam Spees confessed that this is indeed their plan to use Judge Ponsor’s ruling to punish me and others for speaking out against the “gay” agenda around the world.

“The precedent set in the ruling was significant, Spees said, in sending a deterrent message to Lively and other anti-LGBT activists like him… persecution on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity is a crime against humanity under international law…one of most serious crimes in international law. In looking at the evidence produced, it showed that Lively aided and abetted persecution, and was trying to do so elsewhere around the world. It’s just that he can’t be held accountable here because of the ruling limiting the Court’s jurisdiction–not that he didn’t do it.”

“Spees said Lively, and others like him, could face prosecution in other countries where laws to prosecute him already existed. These factual findings go a long way in helping advocates in other countries build support for these kinds of claims….[T]his case and these findings have contributed something very significant to the understanding of international law.”

The US federal judiciary is still the world’s most respected legal authority and with this devious strategic maneuver Judge Ponsor – ideologically though not necessarily transactionally aligned with Spees’ so-called Center for Constitutional Rights — had audaciously hijacked that credibility to serve the global “gay” agenda with devastating implications for the cause of Christ around the world. The only way that can be stopped is for me to voluntarily return to the lion’s den and appeal the very ruling that released me from the lawsuit. We now do so willingly, placing our trust in God that he will vindicate us.

Now for some background for those not familiar with the case and its dismissal

On June 5th Judge Michael Ponsor finally pulled the plug on the federal lawsuit under which I have chaffed for five years and two months. Accused of “Crimes Against Humanity” for simply preaching against homosexuality – rationally and compassionately — in Uganda in 2009, I was continually pilloried, harassed and maligned by leftist media and activist organizations around the world and characterized as a global agent of genocidal malice and intent. In 2014, the world’s largest and most powerful homosexual advocacy group, the Human Rights Campaign, designated me as public enemy #1 of the “gay” agenda around the world – a move I believe was designed to bolster the SMUG v Lively lawsuit.

My Motion for Summary Judgment killing the suit was finally granted on the grounds that the Supreme Court had severely restricted the obscure 1790s law under which it was filed, the Alien Tort Statute (ATS). That occurred four years earlier in 2013, and I recall that in open court that year Judge Ponsor advised the parties that he would not rule on my then-pending Motion to Dismiss until SCOTUS had ruled in that case, strongly implying that SMUG v Lively would be moot if they curbed the reach of the ATS. Yet, after the ATS was gutted, Judge Ponsor not only denied my motion in a terribly hostile and blatantly flawed opinion, but also opposed my subsequent effort to ask the First Circuit Court of Appeals to review his decision.

Because of that, I was forced to endure another four years of pain and suffering at the hands of my leftist persecutors, whom Judge Ponsor had granted a fishing expedition into all of my files, writings and other ministry activities to look for ways to harm me. That “discovery process” placed a huge financial burden on my ministry, but even more so on Liberty Counsel, which had taken on my defense pro-bono.

The emotional burden was worse. I was grilled for two days under oath in Manhattan by a hired-gun Boston trial attorney, and forced to spend weeks responding to document demands and written interrogatories, and had year after year to assist my attorneys in preparing and reviewing countless legal filings. I lived throughout the entire half-decade of legal persecution with the knowledge that the long process – if not stopped by the judge – would end with a jury trial in Massachusetts, the most pro-homosexual state in the union, where the potential jury pool had all been subjected to years of propaganda casting me as a social pariah. The specter of a media-driven show trial and the likelihood of a politically motivated adverse ruling, with potentially large compensatory and punitive damages plus millions in attorney fees – followed by decades of harassment as SMUG’s debtor – always loomed before me.

This was all on top of the regular burden of hate-mail, slander and dirty tricks that anyone faces who opposes the “gay” agenda with any degree of effectiveness. Think “cake-bakers, printers and florists” and magnify the abuse they faced by several degrees of magnitude. My load of such things may be the heaviest of anyone in the U.S., though I’m pretty much used to it by now.

As a Christian pastor with deep trust in Jesus Christ, I willingly suffered all these things, praying always “Thy will, not my will, be done,” and recognized that I became a better man through that “refiner’s fire” of persecution. Still, pain of any kind is never easy to endure.

Then came June 5th. The case was dismissed and I was able to separate the sliver of good that I perceived Judge Ponsor did in finally following the law, from the great preponderance of malfeasance he perpetrated by NOT following the law four years ago and by issuing a ruling filled with animus toward me personally and legally indefensible conclusions about the law and facts of the case. I wrote to the journalist who interviewed me for the “Daily Beast” article:

“Like so many who embrace the “gay” cause as their own, Judge Ponsor lacks any sense of objectivity or fairness and has degraded himself and the federal judiciary with his sophomoric rhetoric and willingness to mischaracterize the facts to comport with a false political narrative.”

Over the past few days, my sense of relief from the dismissal has been replaced with the urgency of the danger posed by Judge Ponsor’s ruling to me and to Christian advocates around the world. As I began thinking of the implications of this ruling for me and all the courageous pro-family Christians around the world standing for Biblical truth against great opposition, I realized that our struggle is not yet over, and we must continue to defend the United States Constitution and our shared Biblical values. Therefore, I am voluntarily returning to the lions den. Please keep us in your prayer.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: culturewars; homosexualagenda; lawsuit; libertycounsel; ponsor; religiousliberty
Reference article from June 6:

http://www.scottlively.net/2017/06/06/smug-v-lively-dismissed/

The Gaystapo had to get in its acrid hatred while dismissing their case against Lively. This cannot stand.

1 posted on 06/09/2017 7:51:48 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

Who or what is SMUG?


2 posted on 06/09/2017 8:05:16 AM PDT by jackibutterfly (We have to stop saying "How stupid can you get". Too many people are seeing it as a challenge.)
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To: fwdude

If there is no lawful authority for jurisdiction, then the appeal will be denied.

The course of action would be to declare the judge’s statements anywhere after “dismissed on jurisdictional lack of grounds”, would be slander and libel and official misconduct- he declares a crime to have been committed, convicts the respondent and condemns him based on facts not in evidence nor a due process determination via trial.

The judge is a moron, political activist hack and needs to be taken to task. Misconduct.


3 posted on 06/09/2017 8:06:09 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: fwdude

The LGBT movement wants inclusion. However, they will not include people who practice bestiality, pedophilia and necrophilia. Must we be reduced to holding our own necrophilia pride parades. How about a Necrophilia Month. Necrophiliacs are people too.


4 posted on 06/09/2017 8:09:48 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: jackibutterfly
Who or what is SMUG?

Did you read the article?

5 posted on 06/09/2017 8:09:55 AM PDT by fwdude (Democrats have not been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.)
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To: Manly Warrior
If there is no lawful authority for jurisdiction, then the appeal will be denied.

This judge spoke as if he were rendering a verdict, improperly, without authority, and with personal animus.

Perhaps this was a shrewd move by a homo-activist judge, projecting the appearance of authority without actually invoking authority. But that is simply corrupt. It's getting in a last word without allowing the libeled party to respond.

I do believe that the rest of your post is what is being sought here, an expunging from the public record any unfounded, UNTRIED, declaration uttered by this judge. And then he needs to be disbarred, impeached and civilly sued by Lively for $50 million.

Christians are not prohibited from bringing lawsuits against non-Christian pagans.

6 posted on 06/09/2017 8:22:20 AM PDT by fwdude (Democrats have not been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.)
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To: fwdude
>>Christians are not prohibited from bringing lawsuits against non-Christian pagans.

This fight won't be won using religious arguments.

Make the LBGT Postgenderist/Transhumanists defend their agenda against SCIENCE and the Karma of the Scopes monkey trial - in the context of which, they haven't got a tail to hang from!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial

 



7 posted on 06/09/2017 8:33:39 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Yes, that is one missile in the arsenal we should use. An important one.

But the core missile that should be used has been avoided, neglected and outright dismissed. That would be OUR WILL, our resolve to not be intimidated by the homo-bullies. “Playing nice” has not worked, will never work. They need to be bloodied like any school bully.


8 posted on 06/09/2017 8:45:02 AM PDT by fwdude (Democrats have not been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.)
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To: fwdude

I just scanned the whole article and am wondering that myself. Didn’t say who SMUG was though I might guess.

I also noted that the pdf link to the legal ruling came back “Page Not Found”.

Found this. My guess that it was something pervy was right.

https://sexualminoritiesuganda.com/

Sexual Minorities Uganda Group


9 posted on 06/09/2017 8:51:59 AM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: fwdude

>>That would be OUR WILL, our resolve to not be intimidated by the homo-bullies

Yep. 

Observe the typical reaction when a Cultural Marxist is confronted with Truth, Logic, Reason, and Science...

 

Here is our progressive,

"spiritual", tolerant opinion

- now you shut up and agree to disagree...

you nazis!

[IDIOTS REACT TO MAN WITH SIGN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL0tRHvBlQQ

[The Architects of Western Decline: A Study on the Frankfurt School and Cultural Marxism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTmNWY0ZPfM&t=18m

10 posted on 06/09/2017 8:54:00 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: fwdude

>>They need to be bloodied like any school bully.

XX, XY, and the occult dysfunctional Other.

Understanding and being able to articulate the associated reality in historical context will surely leave some stains on the canvas.

“ERRORS CEASING TO BE DANGEROUS

WHEN IT IS PERMITTED FREELY TO CONTRADICT THEM”

Ding Ding!

FIGHT!


11 posted on 06/09/2017 9:01:49 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Freemeorkillme

Yep, that’s right. Sorry, I thought people following this story were up on the players. SMUG is actually a political front for a US homo-activist group, or maybe several.


12 posted on 06/09/2017 9:07:05 AM PDT by fwdude (Democrats have not been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.)
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To: Vehmgericht

Pedophilia is their end game. Homosexuality is satanic behavior-—and is the promotion of satanism-—and insanity and vice and irrationality.

It is a removal and banning of Christianity. Promotion of sodomy is promotion of anti-Christianity and it BANS Christianity from the schools—since the 60s so that satanism can be promoted to little children 24/7.

The truth is that “faith” can NEVER be separated from mankind. Everyone has faith—but Christianity is the only faith based on Natural Law Theory—Laws of Nature and nature’s God—so it is the only rational and most just “faith” in history of the world.

The irrational vice of sodomy has to rid children of reason and logic and virtue to make it “normal’ and that is why we have the “war” on Christianity only-—to wipe the Christian worldview off the face of the earth.

Without virtue, (Christian Ethics/US Justice system) we are ALL slaves of the state. Freedom is not possible without virtue and that is why the Cultural Marxists have been destroying virtue formation in children since the 60s which is on steroids now.


13 posted on 06/09/2017 10:53:48 AM PDT by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: fwdude

Lively is appealing the dismissal of the case against him- the judge says there is no jurisdiction in his court- the case is moot- no appeal if no jurisdiction, no crime/offense to be prosecuted /sued over in the eyes of court.

Sue him for slander etc, but not for dismissing a case on the grounds he has no jurisdiction.

Right?


14 posted on 06/09/2017 5:45:32 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Manly Warrior

You are right to a point; the judge is wrong. If he had no jurisdiction over the case then he could NOT have made the self-craft “conclusive” declarations about Lively and his activities. I’m saying what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

I don’t know the in’s and out’s of what the appeal is seeking. It seems on the surface that Lively is trying to refute the Supreme Court decision from 2013. But I’m willing to at least find out where they are going with this.


15 posted on 06/09/2017 6:12:46 PM PDT by fwdude (Democrats have not been this angry since Republicans freed the slaves.)
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