Should Russia's new Armata T-14 tanks worry Nato?

BBC News ^ | 30 May 2017 | Jonathan Marcus

[Spktyr]

The Israelis and others have them working just fine out of their regular-length tank cannons, so it’s evidently not an issue.

[Spktyr]

The A-10 tooling was destroyed at the order of Congress decades ago.

[2001convSVT]

True. It is way past time that a new version of the A-10 is built and this time with all-condition avionics.

[Rebelbase]

Hit them with paint bombs to obscure the camera lenses.

[Rebelbase]

“The A-10 tooling was destroyed at the order of Congress decades ago.”

Reverse engineer and build new.

[Spktyr]

Easier and probably cheaper just to design a new one. There’s been a lot of advances since the A-10 was designed in the 70s.

[Spktyr]

More info on the state of the art in tank APS. Some of these things can shoot down incoming tank main gun rounds (!): http://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2017/01/hardkill-aps-overview.html

[archy]

Sorry, but I just don't believe that the Russians .. or anybody for that matter .. could come up with an automatic feed mechanism that could be trusted to function in combat.

AMX-13 autoloader, in production from 1953-1985. Also provided the main gun/turret on Israeli reworked Shermans [so-called *Ishermans*] as well as the 400 or so Israel had in service during the 1956 and 1967 Six-Day War. About two dozen nations operated varying models of the AMX-13 or its variants [up to 105mm gun] and the Austrian Kurassier 105 used essentially the same autoloader system.

Israeli AMX-13 on display at "Yad La-Shiryon" armor museum. [ ביד לשריון בלטרון. התמונה צולמה על ידי

Israeli M50 rebuild Sherman, with French CN 75-50 main gun fitted in the former US Sherman turret. AMX-13 behind/next to it, now enjoying their retirement at the Israeli Armor Museum at Latrun.

In 1964, Israel started to divert water from the Sea of Galilee to the Negev Desert for agricultural purposes. The Arab nations were in uproar, and Syria began a project to divert water into Jordan (the Headwater Diversion Plan). Major General Israel Tal had trained Israeli tank gunners to shoot beyond 1,500 metres (1,600 yd) and, on March 6, 1965, an M-50, commanded by Tal, engaged a Syrian recoilless rifle that had killed an Israeli tractor driver; Tal personally destroyed the recoilless rifle at long range. A few days later, General Tal, with an M-50 and a Centurion Mk III tank, was waiting for a chance to fire upon the Syrian water diverting project. When Syrian gunners fired on a border patrol, Tal's M-50 and the Centurion fired on eight tractors 2,000 metres (2,200 yd) away, and destroyed them all in two minutes with 10 shots - Tal destroyed 5 tractors with his M-50's 75 mm gun, and the Centurion destroyed the remainder.

Egypt also operated former US. British M4A4 Shermans refitted with the entire French FL10 turret. A few still exist.

[archy]

sorry bout the autodidact grammar

There oughta be an ordinance against it!

[archy]

a BIP RSP if ya were smart ..... Monroe or Misznay Schardin solutions are us ...... knock knock .... who’s there ...... Spall !

You need a nice drink of FIXOR.

So simple even I can use it!

[archy]

There’s been a lot of advances since the A-10 was designed in the 70s

Indeed!

[archy]

The A-10 tooling was destroyed at the order of Congress decades ago.

Turn about is fair play.

[Squantos]

Binary is great for contractors. Me ... I’m off leash. C-4
RDX etcetera .....go big, go light.

[archy]

Binary is great for contractors. Me ... I’m off leash. C-4 RDX etcetera .....go big, go light.

Binary is great for pallet loads on board aircraft with nervous loadmasters.

[archy]

It should be mentioned that this is technically banned by a number of anti-mine treaties (of which we’re not signatories, but still should be noted).

Why spoil the beauty of a thing with legalities?

-- Attributed to President Theodore Roosevelt, Circa 1909, and delivered by actor Brian Keith, portraying Roosevelt in the 1975 film The Wind and the Lion.

That’s not a bad idea either, but you’re looking at either artillery launched carriers or needing air superiority for the ground attack aircraft to deploy such munitions. It would also be problematic (or pointless) to deploy in urban circumstances. However, tanks are increasingly gaining underbelly armoring or deflection due to the IED/mine threat so how long that sort of thing will remain useful is up in the air.

One of the *twofinger* projects developed for a potential Polish underground during the Solidarity/Solidarność days of the Reagan area was a *tank Claymore*, essentially the warhead from a Rockeye antitank cluster bomblet fitted with a detonator and electrical detonation wires and firing upward, and with the guidance fins and nose detonator standoff probe omitted.

A silenced submachinegun with only eight moving parts, a two-shot over/under M79-type 40mm grenade launcher with double-action trigger made of plastic and stainless steel sheet metal and other such novelties were developed, all with the idea that millions could be cranked out in a month or two. The Soviets got to wonder if Reagan really would have given the production go-ahead if they'd come down heavily on the Poles, and later, the East Germans.

And they did not. And the wall came down. Long live Free Poland.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

[Squantos]

Mk118 .... hot sunny day, cast a shadow on that sucker .....not good.

[archy]

Mk118 .... hot sunny day, cast a shadow on that sucker .....not good.

Hey, Squantos! Hold my beer, and watch this!

[TADSLOS]

NATO is more concerned about it’s Carbon Footprint in Brussels.

[archy]

Really disliked the old “butterfly” bomblets .... rusted pieces of shit but were still deadly..... a BIP RSP if ya were smart

M83s? Nasty little machines, kind of reminded me of those 1950s stamped tin Jap cars and tanks that spit out sparks when you rolled the wheels across the floor. Except the sparks from an M83 were a LOT bigger!

The ones I really disliked were the little Russian toe-popper plastic units, forget the designation, but shaped like a maple leaf, and used a liquid explosive filler IIRC. Could be spread by helicopter, if you had a big enough helo.

[Squantos]

PFM-1 ‘s ..... got a few of those handed to me in Pakistan when Mujahideen were trying to kick russians out of Afghanistan ! Reverse engineering ....101.