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Trump Trolled Over Bizarre, Baffling Claim About Avoiding the Civil War
Yahoo News ^ | May 1, 2017 | Brian Flood

Posted on 05/01/2017 1:52:30 PM PDT by detective

Twitter went wild on Monday morning over President Trump’s comments in praise of slave owner Andrew Jackson, and his declaration that the seventh president of the United States would have prevented the Civil War. “Why was there the Civil War?” Trump even asked. Jackson died 16 years before the Civil War started. His term as president ended 24 years before the war kicked off.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; andrewjackson; civilwar; jackson; liberalmedia; presidents; trump; trump45
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As usual the media is ignorant of history. The Civil War was caused by the secession which began in South Carolina. The nullification crisis was an earlier attempt in South Carolina at renouncing the authority of the federal government and could have very likely led to secession.

The South Carolina Ordinance of Nullification was enacted into law on November 24, 1832. As far as South Carolina was concerned, federal laws could be dismissed and there was no tariff. A line had been drawn. Would President Jackson dare to cross it? Jackson rightly regarded this states-rights challenge as so serious that he asked Congress to enact legislation permitting him to use federal troops to enforce federal laws in the face of nullification. Fortunately, an armed confrontation was avoided when Congress, led by the efforts of Henry Clay, revised the tariff with a compromise bill. This permitted the South Carolinians to back down without "losing face." In retrospect, Jackson's strong, decisive support for the Union was one of the great moments of his Presidency. If nullification had been successful, could secession have been far behind?

The secession of 1860 and early 1861 did not come as the result of a popular vote. It was forced through the confederate states by a small group of Democrat Party activists.

If a strong president had threatened the use federal troops in 1860 there it is likely there would not have been a secession.

President Buchanen worked with Jefferson Davis and the secessionists to help them.

President Jackson had many faults and no one can say for certain what would have actually happened. But Trump is far more knowledgeable regarding U.S. history than the media.

1 posted on 05/01/2017 1:52:30 PM PDT by detective
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To: detective

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2 posted on 05/01/2017 1:58:36 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.)
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To: detective

Awesome post! (-:


3 posted on 05/01/2017 2:00:11 PM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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The Nullification Crisis during Jackson’s Presidency prefigured one of the main issues of the civil war.

Were the states mere vassals of the very national government that they created, or did they have an equal say in deciding what is Constitutional.

Jefferson and Madison of the Virginia and Kentucky Resolves of 1798 defended state’s rights,as had the Anti-Federalists. Hamilton and the Federalists wanted a ruling national government.


4 posted on 05/01/2017 2:00:16 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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Mr. President, signing a budget that funds planned parenthood slaughter and does not fund the wall, might just give you a civil war.

Sir, your name is Donald John Trump, not bush 45.


5 posted on 05/01/2017 2:00:42 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (politicians beware)
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To: detective

The Secessionists of 1776 won.


6 posted on 05/01/2017 2:00:43 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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Trump is far more knowledgeable regarding U.S. history than the media.

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That may be, but methinks he comments and opines on too many things and that often feeds the media with quotes that allow them to ridicule him. Why constantly invite controversy? He should learn that less can be more.

Just my 2 cents.


7 posted on 05/01/2017 2:05:58 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

+1

The spending bill was a complete disaster. Very disheartening.


8 posted on 05/01/2017 2:08:19 PM PDT by Starboard
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Andrew Jackson and John C. Calhoun were constantly at each others' throats over the issue of states' rights. His famous toast at a White House dinner in 1830 was in direct response to Calhoun's -- and other Southern champions -- attempting to assert power of the states over the federal government: "The Federal Union: it must be preserved."

The Civil War was a direct evolution of those states-rights sentiments.

So the only ignorant ones here are the journalists laying bare their bias.

9 posted on 05/01/2017 2:09:45 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: detective

Trump could say things a little smoother but once again he will expose how ignorant and biased the media really is..


10 posted on 05/01/2017 2:11:57 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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“That may be, but methinks he comments and opines on too many things and that often feeds the media with quotes that allow them to ridicule him. Why constantly invite controversy? He should learn that less can be more.”

That is a constant question for conservatives dealing with a dishonest and hostile media.

Do you be silent and passive and try to appease them like McConnell, Bush and others?

Or do you try to speak the truth and get the message out like Trump?

The media will continually attack and ridicule Trump no matter what he says or does.

How should Trump articulate his position?


11 posted on 05/01/2017 2:12:24 PM PDT by detective
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found this to support what both you and President Trump have said ... the kicker is that it comes from NPR! What will the libs do about this?

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/01/526388034/fact-check-could-andrew-jackson-have-stopped-the-civil-war-as-trump-said


12 posted on 05/01/2017 2:13:40 PM PDT by marstegreg
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the wrong side won in 1865

some bad generals , poor political leadership

can we have a do over?


13 posted on 05/01/2017 2:16:40 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse (America First !)
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Were the states mere vassals of the very national government that they created, or did they have an equal say in deciding what is Constitutional.

If they do have that say they can deem the second amendment irrelevant (as some states appear to have done already), then the first, then the fifth, then the 13th...

14 posted on 05/01/2017 2:17:33 PM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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I said the same thing once about James K. Polk.

If he were alive in 1860, maybe he could have prevented secession and war.

I was wrong, but it wasn't any big deal.

The first crisis over slavery came in 1820.

Through compromise, the country was able to stave off war for 40 years.

Given first-rate leadership it's possible we could have held off war for some time longer.

But after the Clay-Webster-Jackson generation died off, there were only second-raters around.

15 posted on 05/01/2017 2:20:54 PM PDT by x
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The media will continually attack and ridicule Trump no matter what he says or does.

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No disagreement on that point. I just think Trump shoots from the hip a little too often for his own good. Its important for him to speak out on important issues and keep the pressure on the dishonest media, but not speak on every issue. He needs to be more selective in my opinion.

As with military tactics, you don’t try to fight every battle. Only those you have the best chance of winning.


16 posted on 05/01/2017 2:21:23 PM PDT by Starboard
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Correct. No Jackson fan here, but he made it clear he would send in troops if SC seceded. If the rest of the South had seceded, the Union likely would have won sooner as South would have been much weaker economically and its officers like Lee wouldn’t have had Mexican War experience.


17 posted on 05/01/2017 2:22:46 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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“the wrong side won in 1865
some bad generals , poor political leadership”

One of my favorite places to take my kids when they were younger was the Gettysburg Memorial. It is only about an hour from Mont Co MD and provides an excellent chance to see how the Civil War was actually fought.

Gettysburg along with Vicksburg and the Union blockade were important reasons why the North won.

The politicians who ran the confederacy were another important reason.


18 posted on 05/01/2017 2:26:55 PM PDT by detective
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine
Mr. President, signing a budget that funds planned parenthood slaughter and does not fund the wall, might just give you a civil war.


The American people voted for change, not the status quo. If the political process fails to enact change, then how do we correct this situation? Our rulers are laughing at us.
19 posted on 05/01/2017 2:27:56 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Parroting fake news is highly profitable for some.)
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To: Pelham

Technically, 1776 was an insurrection.


20 posted on 05/01/2017 2:30:00 PM PDT by Flick Lives
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