Posted on 04/29/2017 11:09:55 AM PDT by Monorprise
"We're going to go when we have the votes," Speaker Paul Ryan said Thursday when asked when the House will pass a bill to repeal and replace Obamacare. Lawmakers will not be constrained by any "artificial deadline," Ryan declared.
On March 24, when the Speaker pulled the GOP Obamacare bill before what would have been a sure defeat, he said, "We're going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future."
But why? Republicans have 238 seats in the House. Repealing Obamacare will require 217 votes. Even with unanimous Democratic opposition, Republicans could lose 21 votes and still prevail on repeal. Why haven't they done it?
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"It's not full repeal. I will be honest, it's not," Rep. Jim Jordan told Fox News on Wednesday. "But it's as good as we think we can get right now."
"We've given up on trying to get this bill repealed, basically," Rep. Louie Gohmert told Fox Business on Tuesday. "But we've been demanding at least let's repeal some of the provisions that we know will bring down rates."
Some Republicans remain optimistic, but in a much longer-term sense. "The process of removing a 2,300-page law with 20,000 pages of rules can't be done in one vote," says the member who estimated that 25 to 30 Republicans don't want to vote for repeal. "The process will take two years."
The Republican-controlled House and Senate both voted to repeal Obamacare in January 2016. In the House, 239 Republicans voted for repeal, while three voted against it and four did not vote. President Obama, of course, vetoed the bill. ...
Remember in 1994 when Nethercutt defeated Speaker Foley? One of his top issues was term limits. And he swore he’d limit himself to three terms.
He served five. Typical GOP.
It’s time to grow a pair...
It would be a help. I want to know if my representative is in it...and I'm sure other FReepers want to know if theirs are, also.
Leni
https://ballotpedia.org/Tuesday_Group
...The Tuesday Group does not have an official membership list. The caucus was estimated to have between 40 and 50 Republican members in April 2017.
As of April 2017, the co-chairs of the caucus were Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.), Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.), and Charlie Dent (R-Pa.). According to media reports, other known caucus members included the following representatives:
Rep. Dan Donovan (R-N.Y.)
Rep. John Katko (R-N.Y.)
Rep. Leonard Lance (R-N.J.)
Rep. Frank LoBiondo (R-N.J.)
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.)
Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.)
Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.)
Rep. Rodney Davis (R-Ill.)...
And committing political suicide.
They voted for repeal when it was safe to vote for repeal because it would not get through the Senate and if it did it would have been vetoed. They are not punished by their benefactors for voting uselessly.
“............when is somebody going to provide a LIST of who these 25-50 RINO’s are?”
I dont know exactly but i understand it to mostly consist of theses people: https://ballotpedia.org/Tuesday_Group
We can’t know the exact numbers until they actually vote, which is what we need to happen. Once theses people identify themselves by their vote they will be doomed in 2018. Because they are already on record as holding and supporting the opposite view before Trump won. Which means their opposition now is simply evidence of political corruption and a scam upon their district’s voters.
Your right we need that list, just as they need to keep their names off that list. This is where Ryan and Trump owns them and can force them to keep their word.
“They voted for repeal when it was safe to vote for repeal because it would not get through the Senate and if it did it would have been vetoed. They are not punished by their benefactors for voting uselessly.”
Yes but then they have to acknowledge that their real fear is corrupt benefactors, not the voters whom they have campaigned 3+ times on the repeal of Obamacare.
That alone would doom their reelection effort in 2018 if it comes out.
They have to keep their corruption off the books and themselves off that list of lyers of which a vote would definitively prevent.
They have a choice, if they vote no on a straight repeal now they will doom their political prospects in 2018 because they will have to explain why they voted yes in 2015, and campaigned against obamcare in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016.
This is not a fight they can win anymore than the Republican party as a whole could win should Ryan refuse to hold them individually accountable by forcing them to vote.
Ryan needs to stop protecting theses people and force them to vote with the knwolage that they will be called out and they will lose in 2018 either in primary or in the general election as the conservatives they betrayed no longer trust anything they have to say.
Thanks, and if any Freepers have additions to this Tuesday Group list, please post. I'd like to keep this thread alive and in my reach till I get more names, so I'm bookmarking it.
I have a hunch this group will be blocking the President on future legislation, also. So we have to keep an eye of these particular reps.
To inform my Illinois (my former state) Freeper friends, Adam Kinzinger's 16th Illinois district includes the burgs of De Kalb, Peru, Pontiac, Watseka, Paxton, Princeton, Dixon, Rockford, Streator, Chemung and others.
You may want to post this on your FR state forum......that's he's on the Trump-obstructing Tuesday Board....along with posting some of the towns and cities above mentioned.
We have to help our President in any way we can. On every vote, these GOP representatives get tremendous pressure from the Left and the enemedia in their districts on every vote which weakens their already wobbly knees.
Most non-Freeper conservatives I know never even write or call theirs....and never have. This is how we lose!
Leni
One can only conclude that Ryan is one of the many fake Republicans who is bought and paid for by BigMedicine and the insurance companies. Those that voted for repeal of ObamaCare over 30 times (when they knew Obama would over-ride it) should be targeted. Make it real clear to them that their conservative base won't vote for hypocrites, and their new "friends" who are screaming at town halls will never support them. What idiots! Don't the idiot 'pubs know the main reason the dems are supporting Obamacare is they're using it as a tool to defeat them?
Ryan is not going to stop opposing Donald Trump ever. He is not on about the People's Business. He is a Globalist and he is a Democrat though he swings under the name Republican. Any more the distinction is semantic only. Is the Party as a whole really corrupt and anti Conservative? Well, the vote for Ryan was nearly unanimous, one dissent, I believe. Why should he go against his Democrat mentors on anything?
The conservative caucus is only marginally better than the Tuesdays. They are going for the Replace part of Repeal and Replace, just a little bit different version but it leaves us with a terrifically expensive government medical system that rations medical care and makes it inaccessible to a very large segment of the population while hammering especially the middle class.
They aren’t bringing it to a vote because they don’t want to be named and shamed. They want to block repeal and not have to answer to the voters for it.
“One can only conclude that Ryan is one of the many fake Republicans who is bought and paid for by BigMedicine and the insurance companies. Those that voted for repeal of ObamaCare over 30 times (when they knew Obama would over-ride it) should be targeted. Make it real clear to them that their conservative base won’t vote for hypocrites, and their new “friends” who are screaming at town halls will never support them. What idiots! Don’t the idiot ‘pubs know the main reason the dems are supporting Obamacare is they’re using it as a tool to defeat them?”
I don’t know what Paul Ryan’s motivations are, perhaps his RINO advisers and lobbies are telling him this is the only way to maintain control of the house he can’t afford to lose 50 RINO’s threating to shoot themselves in the foot by voting no.
Perhaps he actually believes the leftist propaganda in the districts which doesn’t remotely represent the sentment on election day.
The solution is nonetheless clear to demand he put forward a vote on straight repeal and notify these RINO’s that their vote against it will be the end of their congressional career as lying hypocrites who can’t be trusted on any issue they campain on.
Theses Tuesday group RINO’s need to be called out for their lies. They need to be told that they are already on record for supporting the straight repeal of Obamacare and to reverse themselves now after trump’s election is only proof that their campaign promises are lies.
Ryan has a duty to expose them for what they are if they don’t intend to keep their promises to their own districts to repeal.
“They aren’t bringing it to a vote because they don’t want to be named and shamed. They want to block repeal and not have to answer to the voters for it.”
Well we can force the issue, by pointing out to theses congressmen and Paul Ryan and Trump who presumably need something done that these so called ‘moderates’ are really just lyers who not only voted for repeal in 2015 but campained upon it not once but 3 times.
Their demands are political posturing at best, and downright corruption to special liberal interest at worse.
They eyther get exposed or the whole republican party will take the blame for THEIR Tratirous actions. Ryan’s job is to protect the party NOT theses 25 to 50 RINO traitors. So Protect the party, call the Traitor’s bluff and dare them to hang themselves.
“They aren’t bringing it to a vote because they don’t want to be named and shamed. They want to block repeal and not have to answer to the voters for it.”
Well we can force the issue, by pointing out to theses congressmen and Paul Ryan and Trump who presumably need something done that these so called ‘moderates’ are really just lyers who not only voted for repeal in 2015 but campained upon it not once but 3 times.
Their demands are political posturing at best, and downright corruption to special liberal interest at worse.
They eyther get exposed or the whole republican party will take the blame for THEIR Tratirous actions. Ryan’s job is to protect the party NOT theses 25 to 50 RINO traitors. So Protect the party, call the Traitor’s bluff and dare them to hang themselves.
The conservative caucus is only marginally better than the Tuesdays.
“The conservative caucus is only marginally better than the Tuesdays. They are going for the Replace part of Repeal and Replace, just a little bit different version but it leaves us with a terrifically expensive government medical system that rations medical care and makes it inaccessible to a very large segment of the population while hammering especially the middle class.”
I Think they are all in the Washington bubble, and the Conservative Caucus is convened they have to yield to the RINO’s demands. When in fact they are all already on record for straight repeal.
The conservative caucus is at least shown itself willing to compromise, to even the point of producing an almost worthless ‘replacement’ plan that very much mimics the existing evil that is Obamacare.
The Liberty Caucus called them out and got the blame for the failure. But the truth is the Liberty Caucus is right those 25 to 50 RINO’s of the Tuesday group have moved the goal post from straight repeal to ‘Repeal and replace’ and now to what amounts to little more than a re-branding of Obama’s take over.
All of this makes the republican party look as corrupt and dishonest to its voters as theses 25 to 50 lying double dealing scammers actually are.
Ryan, Trump, and the other republicans need to call them out. Point out that they are already on record and if their claims of representing their district were true, they would have lost in the last 3 elections already.
I think there are almost 200 Reps that want a full repeal.
I also think that if it comes down to it, that the remaining congressmen would vote for a full repeal because to do otherwise would be to vote to keep Obamacare.
Something they all have campaigned against, and almost all of them have voted to repeal already.
They have no political ground to stand upon in voting to keep Obamacare now. All they are going to do is demonstrate themselves lying fraud to their voters on the most critical issue of the last decade.
Those Conservative voters will respond by deserting them in 2018 as completely untrustworthy on any issue, and they will never serve in elected office again.
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