Posted on 04/19/2017 2:35:09 PM PDT by drewh
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There is zero chance that Ryan wrote that bill and even less chance that he or any other Congressman or Senator even read it. The bill was secret until Ryan announced it. Even then I doubt anyone was allowed to see anything other than the bullet points, just asked to vote for it.
The first two happened, the third one may have been attempted, but didn’t happen.
Horse kaka; I’d suspect the former liberals are more aligned with Trump now and Bannon and them are likely laughing at the facade imposed on the media. They are young and likely through being around normal conservatives, they have tweaked their views more in alignment; not prefect, but more in alignment.
I’m curious why this is such a big deal to you.
Ryan obviously read it. He knew what was in it. I don’t care if he wrote it or not, and that is not the core of our discussion here.
Quit trying to move off topic.
Ivanka and Jared did not have input on the bill. PERIOD!
The first two turned out how we wanted.
The last one, we’ll wait and see.
So far, absolutely nothing to get upset over.
The president prevailed, and so did we.
Adults in the room recognize that.
No they didn't. ObamaCare is still the law of the land. Nothing for us to get sideways about. The President is the last hope we have of escaping the yoke of tyranny, so if I see impediments placed before him I point them out. Ryan and Mitch are impediments and so is the legislation they proposed.
If the permanently on break Congress can not figure out why their constituents shouted them off stage this month then we are in deep do-do.
Ryan likely knows exactly what he was paid to include in the Health Care bill, it is how the process works. The fact that The President bought into this corrupt legislation is very troubling to me.
The first issue I raised was Global Warming. We won. Trump cut off all domestic funding for such projects.
The second issue I raised was the defunding of Planned Parenthood. We won. Trump signed a bill that allows any state to withhold funding from Planned Parenthood.
Yes, Obamacare is still the law of the land, and I’m not happy about it. I have tried to be up front about the fact I don’t like that Trump supported it. I don’t think his comments about the Freedom Caucus were appropriate either.
In the end, I think we will be happier about the Health Care fix than we are now.
If not, it will be his first screw-up.
Ryan was the person who signed off on the bill. So ultimately he was involved in the writing of the bill, even if he didn’t script it himself. He approved of the project. It’s the same as if he wrote every word of it.
Trump on the other hand was tasked with approving of all of it or turning all of it down. He wasn’t in a position to tell the drafters to change paragraph seven text to his own. Ryan was.
This remains Ryancare, not K-StreetCare. It remains Ryancare and not Trumpcare.
I do know what the Left will call it.
I seem to recall the first two issues were ObamaCare repeal and Tax reform, but I have trouble remembering what I just ate for breakfast so I will defer to you on that.
As I recall President Trump was all for abolishing planned parenthood but he retreated the next day after Ivanka explained all the good healthcare PPH provided for women.
Global warming? He has been steadfast in spite of her bringing that moron actor in to seal the deal.
The only reason to point out shortcomings in Trump's administration is to save him from himself and our enemies. I doubt we will get a do-over. That is why I think criticism is necessary when it is earned and RyanCare earned it.
As far as Ivanka and her husband is concerned it has not become a real problem for me but they are a propagandist wet dream.
You may be recalling what Trump’s priorities were. I’m not referencing that.
I am referencing what has seemed to be the top three complaints about Ivanka and Jared.
Of the three issues folk seemed to focus on the most, two have been settled to our satisfaction, and the third is still to be dealt with.
Trump signed a bill last week that authorizes the states to cut off funds to Planned Parenthood. That seems like a big win to me.
Congress sent Trump the bill. Trump signed it.
I don’t mind pointing out shortcomings where they are real. It’s pointing them out when they aren’t that bothers me.
All this complaining on the forum about Ivanka and Jared, comes at a point in the administration when nothing they have supposedly advocated has been acted on to our detriment.
Folks got on a kick about these two, and they won’t let go. Every few days the media pulls another scab off, and folks go postal for a few more days over it. All the while nothing has happened against us.
The media is playing our side. They are trying to cause discord in our ranks. Some folks don’t know better than to play along.
Trump’s team is solid. We’re getting the things we wanted.
We need to find a reason to be happy, and quit looking for reasons to be unhappy.
We are getting some of the things we wanted, just not the really big things. Repeal, Wall and DACA comes to mind.
I am very happy with Trump but I am not impervious to his mistakes and RyanCare was a mistake.
This was a Jarrod/Ivanka thread and I guess I wondered off into the weeds. We are in agreement but I am slightly more impatient than you because I know my days are getting shorter. I have been waiting for change to believe in for an awful lot of years.
With the mess he inherited (ten times worse than Reagan), the bombs left by the prior admin, the deep state, the media insanity to take him out, and the rats not allowing his cabinet to be in place, what did you expect?
I'm seeing the guy I voted for making tremendous progress on all fronts. He's had an amazing run that's done more positive things in that 100 days than I had hoped for.
Just because you're believing the for crap media stories, doesn't mean he's doing badly.
I'm betting in the next 100 days you are forced to eat those words. I'm betting you $100 on that, donated to FR. How about it?
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>> “I’m betting in the next 100 days you are forced to eat those words.” <<
I’m betting that before this year is completely on the books, many here will be searching for caves to live in, so that the rocks can fall on them and hide them.
This is going to be an extraordinary year, and no president has had to deal with what Trump will have to deal with.
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Much agreed. Well played, sir. Bump to your post.
What words would those be?
Those words
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The words Lakeshark posted to you.
Repeal and Wall were pretty big things. If it takes him some time to get them squared away, I’ll understand.
He has bids out for the wall, and there is already talk of small sections for evaluation. That’s pretty big headway in 90 days.
As for Obamacare, it involves about 15% of our economy. That is a major endeavor. I think Trump wants to help folks with health savings accounts and tax deductions to help out. It seems reasoned for this to take a period of time.
I didn’t thing these things would just happen on day one.
As for DACA, I’d like to see it gone too.
There are many things Trump has done though. It took decades to put them into place, and Trump has mowed through many of them.
I don’t see lists posted on the forum all the time, but really area lot of areas where he has made headway.
He’s not getting much credit for that, and I think that is a shame.
We’re an ungrateful lot.
The really big things are ObamaCare and Border. He is being shafted by both Houses on those issues and unless he takes Ryan and Mitch to the woodshed there will be hell to pay in the next election.
I will happily eat my words if he accomplishes even one of them but I doubt he will. He may get a health bill but it will still be a turd sandwich guaranteed. You may remember when Mitch was asked how he would handle this madman he replied we have our ways to handle runaway presidents. Sadly he didn't seem to know how with the last president.
You seem to think if he accomplishes a whole bunch of little things that those people who get their premiums doubled before the next election will just say Ok I don't mind, because he did a bunch of little things. I don't think so.
We went through some big issues with GW where freepers always just knew that GW had some super secret, super genius plan up his sleeve, but he didn't unless you call the patriot act and the trillion dollar stimulus good things.
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>> “He is being shafted by both Houses on those issues and unless he takes Ryan and Mitch to the woodshed there will be hell to pay in the next election.” <<
If there is a next election!
Its timing is roughly congruent with the “Man of Sin’s” rise to power. Time will tell.
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