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To: Lakeshark; editor-surveyor
We are getting some of the things we wanted, just not the really big things.

The really big things are ObamaCare and Border. He is being shafted by both Houses on those issues and unless he takes Ryan and Mitch to the woodshed there will be hell to pay in the next election.

I will happily eat my words if he accomplishes even one of them but I doubt he will. He may get a health bill but it will still be a turd sandwich guaranteed. You may remember when Mitch was asked how he would handle this madman he replied we have our ways to handle runaway presidents. Sadly he didn't seem to know how with the last president.

You seem to think if he accomplishes a whole bunch of little things that those people who get their premiums doubled before the next election will just say Ok I don't mind, because he did a bunch of little things. I don't think so.

We went through some big issues with GW where freepers always just knew that GW had some super secret, super genius plan up his sleeve, but he didn't unless you call the patriot act and the trillion dollar stimulus good things.

79 posted on 04/20/2017 6:18:15 PM PDT by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: itsahoot; Lakeshark

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>> “He is being shafted by both Houses on those issues and unless he takes Ryan and Mitch to the woodshed there will be hell to pay in the next election.” <<

If there is a next election!

Its timing is roughly congruent with the “Man of Sin’s” rise to power. Time will tell.
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80 posted on 04/21/2017 2:35:00 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: itsahoot

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>> “We went through some big issues with GW where freepers always just knew that GW had some super secret, super genius plan up his sleeve, but he didn’t unless you call the patriot act and the trillion dollar stimulus good things.” <<

Looking back, I have a hard time seeing much good in W’s term.
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81 posted on 04/21/2017 2:40:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: itsahoot; editor-surveyor
The really big things are ObamaCare and Border.......He is being shafted by both Houses on those issues and unless he takes Ryan and Mitch to the woodshed there will be hell to pay in the next election. I will happily eat my words if he accomplishes even one of them but I doubt he will.

I think you are underestimating him. He's learning right now, in the best of ways. This is a very complicated mess that he inherited, and he has to be able to navigate the house, the senate, their rules, and their make up. Having watched him for this year plus, one thing I know, is he will pull the best deal possible out of his hat. It's because of who he is.

I'm not going to delve into congressional rules, precedents, and the insane way this has to be done, but kindly admit, it's not as simple as "repealing" Obamacare, or our discussion will stop. You have to understand just how tough this landmine is to dig out.

Two things. Obamacare. Border.

He is going to make huge, and acceptable changes, meaning what is possible, along with taking the worst things from this health care mess. We are not going to go back to the beginning. That's impossible. We won't get a clean repeal, that's impossible. We will get something that will take health care out of Hell, will get the worst things out, will be better, will make strides towards a decent system, and will start the ball rolling. Trump said it will take several steps, along with executive orders. I happen to believe him. I also know we won't get anything close to pure, and so should you. Giving up on him because of that is, frankly, moronic.

Border. Good lord man, do you not realize how much better it is just because he is President? 70% less crossing already, bids and designs going up, demanding to put the wall in the budget, ICE doing their job, illegals being deported, sanctuary cities being defunded, liberals squealing. What more do you expect in 100 days? Particularly with the obstruction from the rats.

Okay, enough. Frankly, with the context just provided, you should eat your words already.

82 posted on 04/21/2017 4:10:00 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. Be resolved to help!)
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