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Beslan school siege: Russia 'failed' in 2004 massacre
BBC ^ | April 13, 2017

Posted on 04/13/2017 8:54:06 AM PDT by Navy Patriot

The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that Russia failed to protect the hostages of the Beslan school siege in which about 330 people died in 2004.

In the siege, Chechen rebels took more than 1,000 hostages, mostly children. The operation by Russian forces to end it used disproportionate force, the court added.

It also said that officials knew an attack was imminent but did not act.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beslan; jihad; russia; teror
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1 posted on 04/13/2017 8:54:06 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot

The hostage takers were Islamic terrorists. The blame is squarely on Islam.


2 posted on 04/13/2017 8:57:23 AM PDT by blackbetty59
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To: Navy Patriot

It was a really bad situation. You have suicide/murderers armed to the teeth willing to die in order to murder.

The Russians had a really tough situation. It might could have been handled better but who really knows?

That court ought to have those Chechens take them hostage and see what they think is appropriate force.


3 posted on 04/13/2017 9:02:51 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: Navy Patriot

I’m betting the Euro-weenie court would say the same thing about the governments of England, France, Sweden and Germany if they responded appropriately to terror attacks from Islam in their respective countries.


4 posted on 04/13/2017 9:03:06 AM PDT by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: Navy Patriot
This was a terrible hit on Russia. The world was with them. Russia does a pretty good job of keeping the muzzies at bay.....cuz they go after them.

We're different. We go after them AFTER they commit a crime. Boston is a good example.

5 posted on 04/13/2017 9:06:16 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Navy Patriot

Baloney. The court is trying to absolve muslims. As I recall, there were a lot of cell phone calls back and forth between the terrorists and contacts back in Saudi Arabia.

Beslan is what made it impossible for the US to support the Chechen revolt against Russia.


6 posted on 04/13/2017 9:09:16 AM PDT by marron
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To: Navy Patriot

The Russians went in after the Muzzies and the Chechnayans started fighting about killing the hostages.

The Arabs and the Chechnayans started fighting in the gym, causing some of the explosives to go off prematurely, which started the fire.

The SPETNAZ started engaging the terrorists on the roof with gunfire when the explosion happened. Local men began running into the building, grabbing children and exiting, while the SPETNAZ kept the terrorists from shooting at them.

The local men realized what was going on and began jumping into windows of the building. Only one terrorist “survived” the battle, and he was interrogated relentlessly until he gave up information which allowed the Russians to find the rest of the operatives and network. None were captured alive, regrettably.

This is why Putin is President and will stay President, because he acted the way every single Russian wanted him to.


7 posted on 04/13/2017 9:12:09 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: yarddog; Navy Patriot

I read a detailed account of the Beslan school siege. It was horrific .... kids/teachers were drinking their own urine, little girls were being taken off by terrorists & raped. The Russians were desperate to end it and the parents were desperate for it to end as well. I think it’s a situation where you do what you think you need to do at the time - 20-20 hindsight is always going to result in criticisms. Same thing happened with Columbine ... now tactics have changed with police trying to get in as soon as possible rather than waiting.

The parents, in their grief, want someone to blame. The ultimate blame lies with the Islamic terrorists for without them, none of this would have happened. My biggest fear regarding terrorists in this country is an American “Beslan”.


8 posted on 04/13/2017 9:15:16 AM PDT by Qiviut (Obama's Legacy in two words: DONALD TRUMP)
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To: Navy Patriot

The entire time the kids were in there they were being terrorized.

the Terrorists didn’t permit them to go to the bathroom, were given no water, they raped numerous little girls.

They raped little boys, one with a bottle.

it wasn’t just waiting around, that whole time they’re actively terrifying them, doing horrible unspeakable things to them.


9 posted on 04/13/2017 9:18:20 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: blackbetty59

There is NO disproportionate force when dealing with Islamic terrorists. They only understand overwhelming retaliation, anything less is weakness, as they see it.


10 posted on 04/13/2017 9:23:52 AM PDT by alloysteel (Some 95% of the personal woe in this world is self-induced.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Entirely anecdotal, so I can’t back it up, but I remember at the time hearing of an incident of Russian soldiers blocking a doorway with their bodies and eating rounds with their armor, so a few more kids could get out.

If it’s true, it moves the hell out of me.


11 posted on 04/13/2017 9:25:57 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Reading the article, it seems that this verdict is pretty much a shakedown for money. Two point niner million euros worth. Russian response pretty much summed up as “defecate in your chapeaux.”


12 posted on 04/13/2017 9:31:45 AM PDT by VietVet876
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To: VietVet876
“defecate in your chapeaux.”

Crap in your hats? (Chapeaux is plural).

13 posted on 04/13/2017 9:40:05 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Navy Patriot

The Russians knew an attack was imminent. What did they know? Where, when, who, how?

The whole thing was horrendous.


14 posted on 04/13/2017 9:44:10 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Outlaw Islam
Expel all Muslims
Stop all aid to Muslim lands


15 posted on 04/13/2017 9:49:41 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Why is it no one ever discusses the rabid Amerophobia which infects Islam and its adherents?)
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To: Navy Patriot

Beslan — muzzie calling card.


16 posted on 04/13/2017 11:05:10 AM PDT by 353FMG (AMERICA FIRST.)
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To: yarddog

It was a horrible situation. Google “beslan massacre photos” and people will see that many of the kids who were carried out of the building were completely or partially naked. They were being systematically abused inside. The Beslan event was a miniature version of what happens to whole societies when Islamic invaders conquer.


17 posted on 04/13/2017 11:07:43 AM PDT by ishmac (Lady Thatcher: There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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To: Sacajaweau
More complex than that. Putin is cozy with the Chechen leader he installed, Ramzan Kadyrov, who totally runs the show …Putin gives him billions, and Kadyrov squashes Islamic uprisings mercilessly. Money talks, as usual. Recently, The New Yorker ran an excellent two-part series on Chechnya today, titled "Putin's Dragon":

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/02/08/putins-dragon

The Second Chechen War, which the Russians launched in 1999, in an effort to curb not only Chechen separatism but the threat of militant Islam, wound down a decade later, with special operations carried out deep in the craggy, wooded hills of the Caucasus. These days, the rubble is gone. The city’s skyline is punctuated by the glass towers of Grozny-City, a collection of skyscrapers that house offices, luxury apartments, and a five-star hotel. Grozny is quiet and bland, with well-paved boulevards running through its center; there is still a faint air of menace—men in black uniforms stand with automatic rifles on many street corners—but the city’s flashier attractions, like a man-made lake with a light show, seem whimsical and family-friendly.

In 2011, Chechnya’s leader, Ramzan Kadyrov who rules the republic as his own private fiefdom but remains unquestionably loyal to Russia’s President Vladimir Putin, showed off the Grozny-City complex at his extravagant thirty-fifth-birthday party…. Asked where the money for the celebration came from, Kadyrov told reporters, “Allah gives it to us.”

Long, beautifully written piece for anyone interested in Putin and/or Chechnya today.

18 posted on 04/13/2017 11:12:47 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: blackbetty59; yarddog; Chipper; Sacajaweau; marron; wbarmy; Qiviut; gaijin; Riley; VietVet876; ...
Thank you all for your comments, I agree with every one of you.

In my opinion the European Court of Human Rights (and their Media friends) are a bunch of backstabbing, second guessing, Know-It-All Prog Socialist hypocrite Elitists running a revenue generation scam, not fit to shine the shoes of Western American and Russian Federation Police, Anti Terror Security Agencies and dedicated Military Personnel.

19 posted on 04/13/2017 11:40:15 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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I’d say you pretty well covered it!


20 posted on 04/13/2017 11:56:30 AM PDT by Qiviut (Obama's Legacy in two words: DONALD TRUMP)
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