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The Civil War is Here
Frontpage ^ | March 27, 2017 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 03/26/2017 10:04:22 PM PDT by detective

A civil war has begun.

This civil war is very different than the last one. There are no cannons or cavalry charges. The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule. Political conflicts become civil wars when one side refuses to accept the existing authority. The left has rejected all forms of authority that it doesn’t control.

The left has rejected the outcome of the last two presidential elections won by Republicans. It has rejected the judicial authority of the Supreme Court when it decisions don’t accord with its agenda. It rejects the legislative authority of Congress when it is not dominated by the left.

It rejected the Constitution so long ago that it hardly bears mentioning.  

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: civilwar2; cwii; democrats; greenfield; media; nullification; obama
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To: DallasGal; ForYourChildren
“Little to no discussion on whether there is a constitutional authority problem. Just accept the premise that the federal government needs to be involved and go from there.”

I am not disagreeing with the premise; I agree with it, wholeheartedly. My question though, is how do you address the idea of the cure killing the patient. It took decades to get where we are and an argument is made that in order to maintain the Republic things must be rolled back incrementally, rather that in one fell swoop. For example, immediately do away with any of the social safety nets (aka largess) and there would be a 100% guarantee of violent backlash that could (would in my opinion) destroy the Republic.

141 posted on 03/27/2017 12:04:35 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (To close with and destroy....)
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To: detective

I think you would be surprised at how many think the US IS a direct democracy.

And ‘free people’ vote chains on themselves all the time in pursuit of security and ‘free stuff.’ The only delusion they have is that they think the chains are going on someone else.


142 posted on 03/27/2017 12:08:05 PM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: zeestephen; bankwalker; TADSLOS

Check out this Antifa Boston video.

https://www.facebook.com/BostonAntifa/videos/1342652845773370/


143 posted on 03/27/2017 12:13:58 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: archy

I wonder how long it was before Capt. Fiorino found himself on the wrong end of a firing squad?


144 posted on 03/27/2017 12:20:43 PM PDT by PLMerite (Lord, let me die fighting lions. Amen)
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To: Turbo Pig

“My question though, is how do you address the idea of the cure killing the patient. It took decades to get where we are and an argument is made that in order to maintain the Republic things must be rolled back incrementally, rather that in one fell swoop. For example, immediately do away with any of the social safety nets (aka largess) and there would be a 100% guarantee of violent backlash that could (would in my opinion) destroy the Republic.”


Work with the states to pick it up the control and authority. Let them know what is going to happen, let them start the process of determining what is best for their citizens. Different states will react in different ways.

If the issue is such an important one then the states can start an amendment process to give the control and authority to the federal government.

Lets use two examples - alcohol and healthcare.

Alcohol: For some reason the states decided that federal control over alcohol was so important that an amendment was passed giving this authority to the federal government - enter prohibition. For some reason, it was determined that the states should take back the control of alcohol so another amendment was passed. This is the proper and legal way to handle giving authority to the federal government. There was no “penumbra” found in the constitution. And there was no illegal use of “interstate commerce” to justify federal control over alcohol.

Healthcare: The illegal taking of federal control to force people to buy a product! LOL! So stupid. So illegal! So tyrannical. Tyranny.


145 posted on 03/27/2017 12:23:30 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: Travis McGee

Good Lord....these people are completely nuts.


146 posted on 03/27/2017 12:25:05 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Very good article. Greenfield seems as though he's articulating something he's been reluctant to accept as reality, and now there is no choice. He doesn't mention the covert treason and corruption among Rs, but we all know about that. A few segments I thought most important:

The left has no allegiance to the system. It accepts no laws other than those dictated by its ideology.

Democrats have become radicalized by the left. This doesn’t just mean that they pursue all sorts of bad policies. It means that their first and foremost allegiance is to an ideology, not the Constitution, not our country or our system of government. All of those are only to be used as vehicles for their ideology.

That’s why compromise has become impossible.

Officials at various levels of government have rejected the authority of the President of the United States, of Congress and of the Constitution because those are at odds with their radical ideology. Judges have cloaked this rejection in law. Mayors and governors are not even pretending that their actions are lawful.

The choices of this civil war are painfully clear.

We can have a system of government based around the Constitution with democratically elected representatives. Or we can have one based on the ideological principles of the left in which all laws and processes, including elections and the Constitution, are fig leaves for enforcing social justice.

But we cannot have both.

The left is a treasonous movement. The Democrats became a treasonous organization when they fell under the sway of a movement that rejects our system of government, its laws and its elections. Now their treason is coming to a head. They are engaged in a struggle for power against the government. That’s not protest. It’s not activism. The old treason of the sixties has come of age. A civil war has begun.

This is a primal conflict between a totalitarian system and a democratic system. Its outcome will determine whether we will be a free nation or a nation of slaves.

147 posted on 03/27/2017 12:25:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: servantboy777

I also have hardcore leftist relatives. Their minds are as permeable to truth as 3 inch thick hardened steel.


148 posted on 03/27/2017 12:27:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Little Ray

I assumed that’s what Greenfield actually meant.


149 posted on 03/27/2017 12:28:25 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Travis McGee

LOL

That has to be a joke!


150 posted on 03/27/2017 12:32:12 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: Turbo Pig

I agree that it took decades to get where we are; however, the majority of what the Federal government is doing should rest in the hands of the states.

Let’s go back to the Civil War (aka the War of Northern Aggression). On the surface it was about slavery, which was starting to wane; however, it was everything about the consolidation of power at a Federal level and the removal of States Rights.

Yes there would be a cacophony louder than the snowflakes raging in the streets if the government, in one fell swoop, ended all entitlements. But if we continue to succumb to the tyranny and allow the loss of liberty, we cease to exist as the land of the free.


151 posted on 03/27/2017 12:42:22 PM PDT by DallasGal (When God provides you a path to happiness, don't turn your back on his grace and mercy)
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To: Travis McGee; zeestephen; TADSLOS

Well, I’m ready when they are.


152 posted on 03/27/2017 12:46:41 PM PDT by bankwalker (groupthink is dangerous ...)
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To: wardaddy; Pelham

The Fabian socialist....folks more inclined to soak up progressive ideology than the English speaking founders or even the French and Spanish had been”

Columbia University in NYC apparently started this trend in the 1930’s. We all saw what happened to Columbia.


153 posted on 03/27/2017 12:53:51 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Columbia university (Frankfurt school) is Marxist.


154 posted on 03/27/2017 12:57:14 PM PDT by crosdaddy
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To: ForYourChildren
Bring up the Constitutional authority question, and they go berserk.

Because most people don't understand the Constitution, don't care about the Constitution, and if they did understand it might not like the Constitution.

As a practical matter the FedGov has operated, what, something like 80% of the Government outside the Constitution since at least FDR (maybe earlier).

It's sort of a precious Icon of a past era at this point, not an active document. Sure both sides cite it once in a while when then need to win an argument.

The liberal justices have effectively destroyed it. If a majority (and also a majority of GOP appointed justices) can turn Gay Marriage into a right -- based on the Constitution -- it's not really an operative document at this point.

It's arguably not even useful, it's counter-productive. It's been used far more to smash through the native people and their innate conservatism than it has to support either.

There is a reason that many neo-reactionaries believe that aristocracies are better and maintaining both individual rights and cultural cohesion than constitutional republics.

155 posted on 03/27/2017 12:58:28 PM PDT by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Brilliant statement of the crux of the issue.


156 posted on 03/27/2017 12:59:17 PM PDT by rlmorel (President Donald J. Trump ... Making Liberal Heads Explode, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: DiogenesLamp

” communists in academia in the 1930s.”

Yeah, and a Depression is a terrible thing to waste....


157 posted on 03/27/2017 12:59:53 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: 9YearLurker

President Trump has had nearly total opposition from all sides of government since his inauguration. Ryan made clear he is not a supporter of the president. Trump has to play the long game. He is putting in place his own land mines to destroy his enemies.
A good businessman uses the time allotted to him to bring about the changes he desires. By year 3 we will see the capitulation of the democrat party based on a 2/3 majority Republican Congress controlled by conservative, not establishment, republicans.


158 posted on 03/27/2017 1:01:28 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The Left has the temperament of a squealing pig.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

He is no longer a businessman, he is president. And presidents have the most support to get their legislation through in the first half year of their term.

At this rate, by year three the Dems will control the House and trumping up impeachment charges.


159 posted on 03/27/2017 1:04:03 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: stephenjohnbanker; wardaddy

You can actually go back to the 48ers, the European radicals who attempted a failed revolution and then fled for other parts, including the American midwest.

A number of them settled in Wisconsin and Minnesota where their affinity for socialism echoes to this day. They were instrumental in founding the Republican party and some of them found their way into the Union Army and the Lincoln administration. About 10% of the GAR was comprised of 48ers.

Schurz, Sigel, Blenker, Weber, Wedemeyer were among them. The contribution of the 48ers to the GOP is oddly ignored today, maybe because of their Marxist connections.


160 posted on 03/27/2017 1:13:46 PM PDT by Pelham (Liberate California. Deport Mexico Now)
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