RyanCare Fail: Big Victory for House Freedom Caucus

Townhall.com ^ | March 25, 2017 | Arthur Schaper

[The_Republic_Of_Maine]

How can keeping obamacare be a victory?

No, we will not be sending checks to the Maine GOP this ear.

[Sirius Lee]

How can keeping obamacare be a victory?

Exactly! ryancare = obamacare. What kind of idiot thought it was good idea to keep obamacare in place, but attach the GOP brand to it?

[Vlad The Inhaler]

LITTLE RYAN AT THE BAT

The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the GOPe that day.
The vote stood more than 20 shy; the looming clouds were gray.
But when Moderates shook their fists and conservatives said "No bill!"
A pall-like deathly silence fell upon the Rulers Of The Hill

A sneer appeared on Ryan’s lip, as he gazed up at the clock
He pounds with cruel authority, his gavel on the block
And now the clerk calls for the vote, and now he adds it up
And now the air is shattered by the force of Ryan's "NO!"

Oh, somewhere in this favoured land the sun is shining bright,
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light;
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout,
But there is no joy in Swampville—Little Ryan has struck out.

[Vlad The Inhaler]

What kind of idiot thought it was good idea to keep obamacare in place, but attach the GOP brand to it?

This kind.

[Daveinyork]

It might be spun as a Freedom Caucus victory. It pretty much said that conservative concerns have to be addressed.

It could be spun as a defeat, if the GOP leadership now writes them off and decides to cross the aisle.

[Diogenesis]

“What kind of idiot thought it was good idea to keep obamacare in place, but attach the GOP brand to it?”

BINGO: ROMNEY and Ryan

[Truth29]

"It could be spun as a defeat, if the GOP leadership now writes them off and decides to cross the aisle."

That also seems to be Trump's reaction. He will wait awhile and then seek a bipartisan bill without the need for the Freedom Caucus.

[Louis Foxwell]

Perhaps a pyrrhic victory except that we have not lost the ability to fight unless you consider the loss of Ryan critical to our fighting ability. I don’t. He gave us a sell out bill that would have destroyed the conservative majority. We are well rid of this trash. The establishment’s insistence upon keeping the health industry squarely in the hands of government bureaucrats is the real and true war.
Obamacare is a foundational part of the conversion from a Constitutional to a top-down socialist government. The evil forces in DC will not allow health-care to be returned to the private sector. I am not at all certain Trump understands this.

[LostPassword]

If the freedom caucus’s goal is to be “the party of no” then it was a win.
If not, they need to figure out how to either
1) convince others to accept their (and my) ideas & preferences
2) negotiate with the rest of the party (includes compromise if option 1 failed)

It’s likely that Ryan just totally bungled this, and future legislation will be handled different. It’s still not a victory for anyone.

They still have moderates that need to be persuaded or negotiated with. If you call this a victory, you’d have to call it a victory if this year results in
1) No tax reform bill
2) No immigration reform legislation (includes funding the wall)
3) No good budget bills
4) An Omnicrap budget at the end of the year

All the big legislation has moderates opposed to the freedom caucus. Nothing will happen if both ends of the party are unable to persuade the other and unwilling to compromise.

If it’s easier to pull 30 Ds from the crazy party than 30 Rs from the freedom caucus, Trump will try that approach.

[ez]

I am now counting the days until Trump issues a waiver to all Americans to opt out of Obamacare if they want. Why are we obsessing over the details of the sausage-making?

Waivers are the coin of the realm as established by Obama himself. Let’s just get this done.

[RightInTheMain]

I respectfully disagree, there are so many reasons why:

* Trump and the GOP campaigned on solving the problem, they have not

* Saying we will wait for it to “explode” sounds good, but it’s not viewed as leadership

* No matter what happens with Obamacare, the apparent assumption is that the Dems would be blamed (they never will) and that suddenly the Dems will be willing to work with Trump and Ryan to pass this bill (it will never happen)

* This was a massive political miscalculation which will now constrain the size of the individual and business tax cuts.

* Many here keep saying, replacing Obamacare with Ryan care is just Obamacare lite. Perhaps that is true to some degree. But I’d rather have Obamacare lite with an HHS secretary able to scuttle it for 8 years than lose my momentum, lose the size of the tax cut, lose the image of a great deal maker, bolster the dem base, deflate the gop base. This was very shortsighted.

* I love to stand on principle too. However, the pragmatic view is that this is most likely as conservative a government you will see for the rest of your life. This arrangement of government will not last Trump’s entire administration. We might get 4 years of it.

* Stating this is 4D Chess move to get rid of Ryan is crazy. I’m no fan of Ryan, but Trump would not accept failure on a major campaign promise during his first 100 days to possibly get rid of Ryan.

[dynoman]

Most coherent comments about repeal/replace on FR.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:owen/index?brevity=full;tab=comments

[dynoman]

Is it true the House Freedom Caucus is backed by the nevertrump Koch brothers??

[jmaroneps37]

This was a big “F%^K YOU GO AWAY” to the American people from the scumbags in the Freedom Caucus.

Question: WHAT HAS THE FREEDOM CAUCUS EVER DONE FOR US? We now know what this bunch of “conservatives” has done TO US but what have they ever done FOR US?

For me they remind me of why I am no longer a Republican.

[RKBA Democrat]

Sometimes you just have to stand back and watch socialism crash and burn.

The word that should be on all our lips now is “waiver.” Waivers from the o-care mandates. Without the mandates, people won’t join and insurance companies won’t participate. We’ll end up with a de facto free market, cash and carry system.

And for those who are lamenting the demise of this bill, not to worry. I expect that this bill will be back, just like the wall street bailout was killed and then resurrected a few weeks later.

[dynoman]

“What kind of idiot thought it was good idea to keep obamacare in place, but attach the GOP brand to it?”

And Trump, he said it was a good bill. So he’s an idiot too.

President Trump Makes a Statement on Healthcare Law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F2pGAhaiSI

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“This was a big “F%^K YOU GO AWAY” to the American people from the scumbags in the Freedom Caucus.”

I’m glad they stood for what they were elected for by their Districts.

Ryan would not cave on an actual repeal. He strapped conservative ideas onto a bad program. He does not understand that those who bought him are not conservatives.

[dynoman]

You might like these comments on the subject; http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:owen/index?brevity=full;tab=comments

Seems to be one of the most coherent voices here on FR.

[Sirius Lee]

And Trump, he said it was a good bill. So he’s an idiot too.

Yup. I agree with you.