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To: Carl Vehse

You’re nitpicking words.

The fact is, Obamacare is unsustainable and Trump knows it will fail, eventually. Failure means massively higher premiums, plans being cancelled or not renewed, providers exiting the market, etc. These things will cause significant pain - on top of what has already been endured, and more and more people will reach the breaking point. Remember that now the penalties will hit the max, and all the other punitive aspects of Obamacare will continue on as-is. It is going to hurt, and the members of Congress are eventually going to feel it too.

In short, Obamacare hasn’t hit rock bottom yet. But it will and when it does, even Democrats are going to be pleading with Trump to work with them on a replacement that will address the issues and allow them to keep their seats.

There are 30 members of the Freedom Caucus, all it will take is 30 Democrats to pass a new healthcare bill. They wouldn’t do it today because the pain they feel from Obamacare is much less than the pain they would feel from voting to support Trump. He is betting that will change, and when it does, it may well be Democrat votes that put the replacement bill over the top, regardless of how much of a fit the Freedom Caucus throws.


5 posted on 03/24/2017 8:35:00 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

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10 posted on 03/24/2017 8:41:05 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (Show me a peaceful Muslim and I will show you a heretic to the Koran.)
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To: bigbob

However when Obama care hits rock bottom, those affected and those who care about those affected will point a finger at Trump.


32 posted on 03/24/2017 9:21:36 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: bigbob
That is not how it likely goes down at all. You exaggerate the risk to Democrats. Republicans are in charge of House, Senate, and White House but have poor party discipline and cannot govern effectively without Democrat votes. Republicans however will be blamed for everything that goes wrong in the country, including a failing Obamacare which they promised to repeal and replace. They just failed that promise today.

Democrats will not vote for a fix to Obamacare unless their party backs it. They have tight party discipline. To get their votes President Trump will have to offer them something like Single Payer, perhaps on an experimental basis in states that choose it. I expect the public at large will like it initially because most people are not so idealogical when it comes to benefits like Social Security and Medicare. If Trump gets Democrat votes, it will be for a Grand Bargain and he will get majorities of both Democrats and Republicans.
35 posted on 03/24/2017 9:30:15 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: bigbob

...”In short, Obamacare hasn’t hit rock bottom yet. But it will and when it does, even Democrats are going to be pleading with Trump to work with them on a replacement that will address the issues and allow them to keep their seats.”...

Yes. If you know folks who are struggling with Obamacare, and you know their expenses are going to get much worse very shortly to the point where they will just drop coverage which will overflow emergency rooms, you know that Democrats are going to want to work with Trump to replace the disaster which they own. Trump wanted to fix it but conservatives knew it was too messed up to fix. It must be repealed. Obamacare is an act of enslavement of the American people for it involves life and death. Couldn’t help but think of the children of Israel under the rule of Pharaoh from the old Testament yesterday. Will it take 10 plagues upon the American people to do something to correct the insane Obamacare system?


64 posted on 03/25/2017 2:36:46 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: bigbob

Zerocare is only unsustainable for the middle class.

The providers will exit the non-medic-aid/medicare market. The government will continue to pay on a no-cap, by head, basis. Tax and Medicare rates will rise to compensate. Costs will rise because, hey, the government is paying. What did they say on the news tonite? 50% of Calif children and 75% of New Mexico children are on medic-aid?

The landmine Zero and the Dems left for us in Zerocare —that the House failed to avoid today— is, the Dems will slowly raise the threshold for medic-aid higher and higher until everyone under $40K a year is covered - class-specific nationalized health care. (It’ll just cost you your estate when you die, but what do you care, you’ll be dead and your children don’t deserve your privilege.) Guess who the hero is? Not us. Guess who doesn’t have to worry about premiums? Again, not us worker bees. The rich will have private doctors as they do now, and negotiated cash rates with hospitals they have endowments at, or written off under Trust expenses. (Pelosi will get to keep her estate.)

Those making $45K or more will eventually end up on medic-aid after they’ve lost all their assets to the bill collectors chasing deductibles and copays. Because, competing against the overcharged US government rates with insurance companies that really don’t want to do business with anyone but governments anymore, they can’t find an affordable policy. Once they’re on medic-aid, the state gets their estates when they die, too. A captive audience. Or enslaved one, either or. Wealth redistribution under the guise of don’t-call-it nationalized healthcare at its socialist finest.


66 posted on 03/25/2017 3:14:10 AM PDT by blueplum ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: bigbob

Congress will be among the last to actually face any healthcare issues as they have AFGE insurance. Almost all of us have faced various cuts like this medicine is not covered by your plan any longer or this MD or hospital does not accept your plan. Even the VA cut medicines and other items as they also have to comply with the ACA.


70 posted on 03/25/2017 4:11:26 AM PDT by Lumper20
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