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Take Donald Trump's Wiretap Claims Seriously
New British Herald ^ | Friday, March 17, 2017 9:02 pm | Eli Lake

Posted on 03/17/2017 7:53:08 PM PDT by drewh

The current scandal surrounding President Donald Trump’s tweeted accusations that his predecessor wiretapped Trump Tower is proof of what might be called the Salena Zito rule. Zito, of course, wrote the essay in the Atlantic how Trump’s supporters took him “seriously, but not literally,” whereas the press took him “literally, but not seriously.”

This is a good way to understand the current state of the investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and Trump’s wild accusations against Barack Obama. Barring an unexpected turn of events, FBI director James Comey will confirm on Monday before the House Intelligence Committee that what Trump tweeted on March 4 was literally false. There was no authorized surveillance of Trump Tower.

Nonetheless, there may be reason to take the gist of Trump’s tweet seriously. At least this is the upshot of the latest turn in the story. On Wednesday Representative Devin Nunes, the Republican chairman of the House intelligence panel, and that body’s ranking Democrat, Adam Schiff announced they were seeking information on how the identities of American citizens picked up in eavesdropping on foreign targets were unmasked in more widely disseminated intelligence reports.

This is important because of the case of Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national security adviser. He resigned after the Washington Post reported on his conversations with the Russian ambassador to the U.S., Sergei Kislyak, that took place after Trump’s victory but before his swearing in. At the time, the story was about how Flynn had not come clean about an element of those conversations, touching on sanctions just imposed on Russia.

But another big part of that story is how the intercepted communications of an incoming national security adviser found its way into the newspaper. Earlier this month, Obama’s last director of national intelligence, James Clapper, said there were no Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants that he knew about targeting Trump or his campaign. This surely means that Flynn was caught on a wiretap of the Russian ambassador. Normally, the names of Americans “incidentally collected,” to use the intelligence community’s phrase, are redacted from reports that are sent out to senior government officials. Was Flynn’s name redacted in this case? If not, were summaries or transcripts of his conversation widely distributed within the government? Which would have made it easier to leak.

That’s what Nunes and Schiff want to know. In a March 15 letter to the heads of the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency, they asked for the total number of times a U.S. person’s identity was unmasked between June 2016 and January 2017. They also want to know the names of any U.S. persons unmasked in incidental collection who were affiliated or part of the Trump or Hillary Clinton campaigns in this same period, and who inside the executive branch asked for these names to be unmasked.

In Flynn’s case, there may be sound reasons for why his name was not redacted from intelligence reports. Adam Klein, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, told me Wednesday that it’s plausible to find a foreign intelligence justification for unmasking the identity of someone like Flynn. “That in and of itself is not necessarily improper,” he said. “But we should remember what is relevant for foreign intelligence purposes is in the eye of the beholder. Something that might seem innocent on its face, might appear more nefarious from the perspective of someone who views the incoming team’s policies with skepticism.”

There is already some evidence to suggest Nunes and Schiff are onto something. On March 1, the New York Times reported that in the final days and weeks of the Obama administration, White House officials rushed to preserve and distribute intelligence on connections between Russia and Trump’s associates throughout the government. In practice this meant that raw intelligence was processed into analytical reports and classified at a relatively low level. “As Inauguration Day approached, Obama White House officials grew convinced that the intelligence was damning and that they needed to ensure that as many people as possible inside government could see it,” according to the Times.

Did this raw intelligence include Flynn’s calls with the Russian ambassador? Depending on what Schiff and Nunes turn up, this could be a real scandal, particularly if the names of other Trump associates picked up in incidental surveillance were unmasked and distributed widely within the government.

This would mean that the Obama administration had effectively short-circuited the FISA process by checking to see if Trump associates were picked up incidentally on existing surveillance, and then disseminating the take widely within the intelligence bureaucracy. That’s not the same as ordering — without court oversight — a targeted wiretap on Trump Tower. But it’s pretty serious, nonetheless.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 201606; 201701; 20170301; 20170315; eavesdropping; elilake; fisa; flynn; intelligence; intercepts; nytimes; obama; trump; wiretapping; wiretaps
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1 posted on 03/17/2017 7:53:08 PM PDT by drewh
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To: drewh
Zito, of course, wrote the essay in the Atlantic how Trump’s supporters took him “seriously, but not literally,” whereas the press took him “literally, but not seriously.”

I often quote this observation. I think it's totally brilliant.

2 posted on 03/17/2017 7:57:24 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
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To: drewh

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3 posted on 03/17/2017 7:58:49 PM PDT by Eagles6 (My weapons are lubricated by liberal tears.)
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To: drewh

This would mean that the Obama administration had effectively short-circuited the FISA process by checking to see if Trump associates were picked up incidentally on existing surveillance, and then disseminating the take widely within the intelligence bureaucracy. That’s not the same as ordering — without court oversight — a targeted wiretap on Trump Tower. But it’s pretty serious, nonetheless.

History of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

“It couldn’t possibly be true, because that is not how our system works,” Pelosi said during a Christian Science Monitor breakfast in Washington.

“We do not investigate, through a FISA court, Americans — here or abroad.”

Well, Nancy how about this: Part two of ??? parts history of our agreement where the Brits spied on our people and we spied on their people for 7+ decades. Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

MUSCULAR (surveillance program)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MUSCULAR (DS-200B), located in the United Kingdom,[1] is the name of a surveillance programme jointly operated by Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) and the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that was revealed by documents which were released by Edward Snowden and interviews with knowledgeable officials.[2] GCHQ is the primary operator of the program.[1]

GCHQ and the National Security Agency have secretly broken into the main communications links that connect the data centers of Yahoo! and Google.[3]Substantive information about the program was made public at the end of October 2013.

Contents:

1 Overview
2 Operational details
3 Reactions and countermeasures
4 Gallery
5 See also
6 References
7 External links

Overview:

The programme is jointly run by:
– Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) (United Kingdom)
– U.S. National Security Agency (NSA)

MUSCULAR is one of at least four other similar programs that rely on a trusted 2nd party, programs which together are known as WINDSTOP.

In a 30-day period from December 2012 to January 2013, MUSCULAR was responsible for collecting 181 million records. It was however dwarfed by another WINDSTOP program known (insofar) only by its code DS-300 and codename INCENSER, which collected over 14 billion records in the same period.[4]
Operational details:

According to the leaked document the NSA’s acquisitions directorate sends millions of records every day from internal Yahoo! and Google networks to data warehouses at the agency’s headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland.

The programme operates via an access point known as DS-200B, which is outside the United States, and it relies on an unnamed telecommunications operator to provide secret access for the NSA and the GCHQ.[3]

According to the Washington Post, the MUSCULAR program collects more than twice as many data points (“selectors” in NSA jargon) compared to the better known PRISM.[2]

Unlike PRISM, the MUSCULAR program requires no (FISA or other type of) warrants.

Because of the huge amount of data involved, MUSCULAR has presented a special challenge to NSA’s Special Source Operations. For example, when Yahoo! decided to migrate a large amount of mailboxes between its data centers, the NSA’s PINWALE database (their primary analytical database for the Internet) was quickly overwhelmed with the data coming from MUSCULAR.[5]

Closely related programmes are called INCENSER and TURMOIL. TURMOIL, belonging to the NSA, is a system for processing the data collected from MUSCULAR.[1]

According to a post-it style note from the presentation, the exploitation relied on the fact that (at the time at least) data was transmitted unencrypted inside Google’s private cloud, with “Google Front End Servers” stripping and respectively adding back SSL from/to external connections.

According to the Washington Post: “Two engineers with close ties to Google exploded in profanity when they saw the drawing.” After the information about MUSCULAR was published by the press, Google announced that it was working on deploying encrypted communication between its datacenters.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)


4 posted on 03/17/2017 8:05:22 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Remember during Trump Tower Spydgate, there were No American fingerprints; just Obama's...!!!!:))
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To: ClearCase_guy

Boy, that is a great quote. Pretty much sums it up.


5 posted on 03/17/2017 8:10:25 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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To: drewh

Got some ‘splaining to do!


6 posted on 03/17/2017 8:18:23 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: drewh
Barring an unexpected turn of events, FBI director James Comey will confirm on Monday before the House Intelligence Committee that what Trump tweeted on March 4 was literally false. There was no authorized surveillance of Trump Tower.

Trump never claimed that they were authorized

7 posted on 03/17/2017 8:21:24 PM PDT by TheCipher (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. Mark Twain)
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To: drewh

L8r


8 posted on 03/17/2017 8:23:10 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: drewh

President Trump is making a lot of Americans face reality for the first time in their lives. The media is doing everything it can to portray him as a crackpot, conspiratorial figure, but slowly more and more people are sensing that not all is well with the way our country has been run by the folks in DC. Every day the president draws his sword on these people, and is fighting them tooth and nail to give this country back to the American people.


9 posted on 03/17/2017 8:24:47 PM PDT by dowcaet
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To: drewh

Do we have any evidence that the FISA warrants were sought, rejected, approved?


10 posted on 03/17/2017 8:31:02 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: drewh

Adam Schiff may not have many fans on FR but in this case he’s doing exactly the right thing for the wrong reasons. Being a Democrat he is on his high horse to investigate all this Trumped-up Russian Hacking-Interfered-In-Our-Election nonsense, but by doing an infestigation, he unknowingly will be exposing the dirty underbelly that the Deep State very much wants to keep hidden. As the saying goes, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” and as long as Schiff keeps pushing for answers and investigations, all the stuff will come out too.


11 posted on 03/17/2017 8:35:11 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: drewh

I truly love this man trump for paying back our republic when he could have watched the world burn...Very inspiring call out all of these pukes undermining our Great nation...all of them. he is proving over and over again how corrupt and selfish communists really are...


12 posted on 03/17/2017 8:39:04 PM PDT by mythenjoseph
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To: ClearCase_guy

I agree. We were all sort of thinking along these lines, but she wrapped words around it and made it a thing.


13 posted on 03/17/2017 8:41:35 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: drewh

After Trump made Obola release his fraudulent B.C. in 2011, I’m sure Barry brought the full force and fraud of the federal gubbermint to investigate Trump.

Thank G-d he regrouped and came back. Trump’s run has been a magnificent and coordinated counter coup.


14 posted on 03/17/2017 8:49:50 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Obama voters killed America. Treat them accordingly.)
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To: LucyT; Whenifhow; null and void

ping


15 posted on 03/17/2017 9:19:16 PM PDT by bitt (The most insidious power that the media has, is the power to ignore - Chris Plante, WMAL)
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To: drewh; bitt; KC_Lion; null and void; aragorn; EnigmaticAnomaly; TWhiteBear; WildHighlander57; ...

Take Donald Trump's Wiretap Claims Seriously

Check out article, ... please.

Thanks, bitt.

16 posted on 03/17/2017 9:28:00 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

This is a great article and very informative. I posted it on my Facebook and shared it with Bill Mitchell’s Facebook. Also posted it on another forum. Good stuff.


17 posted on 03/17/2017 9:34:56 PM PDT by TexasCruzin (Trump is the man. #TrumpPence16)
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To: LucyT

Thank you for all your pingifying.


18 posted on 03/17/2017 9:51:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah

You’re welcome.

I like your new word. Describes it quite well!


19 posted on 03/17/2017 9:54:43 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Trump’s supporters took him “seriously, but not literally,” whereas the press took him “literally, but not seriously.””

Wow.

This is brilliant. And true.


20 posted on 03/17/2017 9:58:15 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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