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The Never-Ending War in Afghanistan
The New York Times ^ | 13 March 2017 | Andrew J. Bacevich

Posted on 03/13/2017 1:14:55 PM PDT by Theoria

Remember Afghanistan? The longest war in American history? Ever?

When it comes to wars, we Americans have a selective memory. The Afghan war, dating from October 2001, has earned the distinction of having been forgotten while still underway.

President Trump’s Inaugural Address included no mention of Afghanistan. Nor did his remarks last month at a joint session of Congress. For the new commander in chief, the war there qualifies at best as an afterthought — assuming, that is, he has thought about it all.

A similar attitude prevails on Capitol Hill. Congressional oversight has become pro forma. Last week Gen. Joseph Votel, the head of Central Command, told Congress that the Pentagon would probably need more troops in Afghanistan, a statement that seemed to catch politicians and reporters by surprise — but that was old news to anyone who’s been paying attention to the conflict.

And that’s the problem. It doesn’t seem that anyone is. At the Senate hearings on the nomination of James Mattis as defense secretary, Afghanistan barely came up.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; editorial; karzai; mancausedisaster; mattis; muslimworld; nationbuilding; obama; obamlegacy; oef; overseascontingency; rop; warofnecessity; wot
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1 posted on 03/13/2017 1:14:55 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria

When you don’t fight to win and only fight not to lose...


2 posted on 03/13/2017 1:21:19 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Theoria

Say what you want about FDR. He had many, many faults. But he put together a machine that completely crushed both Hitler and Tojo in 3 1/2 years.

Sad - tragic actually - that Bush II decided to go the LBJ route instead.


3 posted on 03/13/2017 1:21:39 PM PDT by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Theoria

Ah, after 8 years of doing nothing, now the NY Slimes has taken notice.


4 posted on 03/13/2017 1:23:00 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Theoria

I think the request was for several thousand more training and support troops to get the Afghans back on the offensive. This request could be satisfied by NATO, although some US maintenance specialists are needed.


5 posted on 03/13/2017 1:26:50 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: KC_Conspirator
That's what I was thinking!!!
That is their shoe-horn way of getting into blame DT about everything.
6 posted on 03/13/2017 1:28:57 PM PDT by Paul46360
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To: Theoria

There can be no justification for continued American sacrifice of blood and treasure in Afghanistan once Bin Laden was eliminated. In fact the ruling Taliban at the time were willing to violate their “hospitality” tradition and turn Bin Laden over to the Americans but GW Bush thought it better for humanity to go to war and try his hand at nation building.


7 posted on 03/13/2017 1:29:32 PM PDT by allendale
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To: Theoria

The Afghan war, dating from October 2001, has earned the distinction of having been forgotten while still underway

But the heroin Imports have gone up 1000 Percent since then, so it appears to be a success!


8 posted on 03/13/2017 1:29:37 PM PDT by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: Theoria

In a place where dragging a dead goat across a
goal line is considered sport and where tribal
enmity means standing on opposing ridges and shooting
at each other for sport...then war IS a sport.


9 posted on 03/13/2017 1:30:31 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Theoria

It was a never ending war under Obama and partly because of Obama but, funny, the NYT didn’t mention it until Trump took office.


10 posted on 03/13/2017 1:37:06 PM PDT by Crucial
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To: tet68

That’s why the Russians got the hell out of Afghanistan. We were laughing at them then, the Russians are laughing at us now.


11 posted on 03/13/2017 1:39:44 PM PDT by 353FMG (AMERICA FIRST.)
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To: Theoria
President Trump’s Inaugural Address included no mention of Afghanistan. Nor did his remarks last month at a joint session of Congress. For the new commander in chief, the war there qualifies at best as an afterthought — assuming, that is, he has thought about it all.

Misinformation

Afghan Ambassador; What He Said About the Differences Between Trump, Obama Is Stunning

12 posted on 03/13/2017 1:42:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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To: Crucial

Yes, very interesting huh.


13 posted on 03/13/2017 1:43:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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To: tet68
where tribal enmity means standing on opposing ridges and shooting at each other for sport.

The only way to get Afghani tribesmean to stop shooting at each other is to give them something else to shoot at.

14 posted on 03/13/2017 1:44:23 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Leaning Right
"But he put together a machine that completely crushed both Hitler and Tojo in 3 1/2 years."

FDR was lucky in that the majority of his military leaders had served during WWI.

15 posted on 03/13/2017 1:47:32 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Theoria


16 posted on 03/13/2017 1:49:43 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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To: Crucial
Mr. Bacevich, who lost a son in Iraq and has always been skeptical of wars in the Middle East. He has been consistent on his view, throughout the Bush and Obama years.

Some of articles he wrote or others reviewing his books in the NYT, during the Bush and Obama years.

Overcommitted

AMERICA’S WAR FOR THE GREATER MIDDLE EAST

War Powers in the Age of Terror

An Army at Risk

17 posted on 03/13/2017 1:50:13 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: mass55th
FDR was lucky in that the majority of his military leaders had served during WWI.

At least with the US Army, Marshall sacked an awful lot of them: a large proportion of the general officer corps were relieved both at the start of the war and afterwards.

Mattis sacked one of his regimental commanders during the invasion of Iraq. I would expect more to be relieved once definite objectives are set and not met by commanders.

18 posted on 03/13/2017 1:53:00 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: allendale
In fact the ruling Taliban at the time were willing to violate their “hospitality” tradition and turn Bin Laden over to the Americans ...

We must be living in alternate universes, because my recollection is that the Taliban refused to turn over bin Laden.

19 posted on 03/13/2017 1:54:39 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: dirtboy

“The only way to get Afghani tribesmen to stop shooting at each other is to give them something else to shoot at.”

Two birds with one stone....DRONES sent to spray ‘THE CROP’ into nothing,thus forcing them to do something besides ‘drug the world’with their poppy product.

Secondly they can try to shoot the drones down letting another behind the first know where to aim its fire...They don’t fire/shoot, they won’t be targeted.


20 posted on 03/13/2017 1:54:48 PM PDT by litehaus (A memory toooo long.............)
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