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To: Hostage

Don’t know if you’re for or against Ted with your post :)

The primaries are over, ryan is a traitor, mccain said Trump should show proof of wiretappig or take it back.

If Ted can figure out a way to destroy the house plan, great.

They need 51 of 52 votes to pass it anyway. Lee, Paul and Cruz make that impossible.

And if Trump tries to twist their arm on it (I have NO IDEA what he is thinking as he is great and confusing folks on purpose) then I will feel let down by Trump.

Let me make clear that I NEVER KNOW what it in Trump’s head and I like that. Means no one else does either.

He may be saying the bill’s not so bad because he knows it can’t pass the senate.


6 posted on 03/12/2017 2:39:01 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: dp0622

We have seen trump in action and he seems to always be a few plays ahead of the rest, like a masterful chess player and artful taction I just cant see him falling for this one


9 posted on 03/12/2017 2:43:38 PM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: dp0622

Does the new bill need 60 votes, or will 51 do? Your post claims 51. Why would Lee, Paul and/or Cruz vote against it? If it only needs 51, who cares about Cruz’s creative solutions?


16 posted on 03/12/2017 2:53:04 PM PDT by theoilpainter
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To: dp0622

I was once admiring of Cruz’ knack for standing up to the GOPe but then he was assimilated into it; proof is in Jeff Roe and Neil Bush.

Cruz can be smart and stupid at the same time. As other Freepers have wisely noted, he’s too smart by half.

This case is a prime example.

Sure, Cruz can advocate VP Pence pushing the Senate Parliamentarian aside to rule what can and cannot be voted on in reconcilation.

The problem is that it blows up the Senate rules. We might think. well fine, blow them up already. But in future years it means the dems can play the same game.

But the real reason to tell Cruz to go fly a kite is that demolishing Obamacare by reconciliation leaves the damn law in place, leaves its blueprints on the books signed into law.

It can be wrecked, busted, demolished, crunched, whatever but it’s still a damn law of the land, just not in effect.

That all sounds good. But in future years, when the Republicans fail because they are stupid, and they are in fact stupid and spineless, the democrat carping about republican failures in healthcare will play into a frustrated electorate and the democrats will slither their way back into control of Congress where they will resuscitate the ACA and they won’t need to get 60 votes etc.

We need Obamacare REPEALED, not busted up in RECONCILIATION.

See the difference? It’s important to understand that repeal NOT EQUAL to reconciliation.

A repeal is a law to take down a law.

Reconciliation can make a law ineffective, but leaves the law in place.

What is needed is for the President’s AG to play hardball because it’s the only thing the Left understands and can be defeated by.

Here’s a hardball strategy:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3534079/posts?page=61#61


18 posted on 03/12/2017 2:57:26 PM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: dp0622; All

Trump needs to back off his stubborn pro Ryan-care position, and listen to Paul, Jorden, and Lee.


44 posted on 03/12/2017 3:35:33 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common any more.)
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To: dp0622

I wonder if there is another bill all ready siting in reserve to be presented when everyone uses there political capital to end this bill. at this point trump and Ryan are getting the never trumpers to say that this bill is bad and getting them to state what needs to be done. I think what ever bill trump and his allies in congress brought fourth was going to get attacked by McCain and his allies. after this bill fails a new more fiscally conservative bill can be put forward with those on the republican side being forced to except it because it addresses the biggest criticisms they brought up.

of course I am probably grasping at straws looking for an explanation for the mess witch is this bill.


59 posted on 03/12/2017 3:57:26 PM PDT by PCPOET7 (in)
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