Posted on 03/06/2017 4:38:04 PM PST by gandalftb
sorry for the double post. browser crashed.
misdirection is an important factor in winning anything.
loose lips, can save ships, when they tell the enemy we are invading here, when we are invading there...
don’t take it any greater than a grain of salt.
I guess the major difference between THEN and NOW is that during 'Nam we had a bunch of mealy mouthed globalists intent on sowing the seeds of the NWO and one way was via the "doctrine" of containment when it came to winning wars with the communists. That goes for all the occupants of the Oval office during the 1960's until right NOW.
There is simply no comparison between the political and now military leadership of those days and today in just about every possible dynamic. And forget the upgrades in weapons, communications and support! It's like comparing apples to muscle cars.
but we still kept financing and supplying the former units, who so famously/repeatedly “lost” their heavy weapons over to ISIS and al Queda
I recently spent a few months in CJTF-Jordan and we were working with some CJSOTF folks who were supporting those "moderate" rebels. Amazing how so many ISIS defections occurred just after we hooked them up with ammo and equipment...
ridiculous.
“knock the hell out of isis so fast...” does not in any world mean ask congress for permission to do a massive wipe out...
but I am sure you will bemoan the death of all the ‘innocent’s’ when CNN publishes their fake news about the “failed raid on raqqa” crap.
go get em mr. president. sick mad dog on em.
you are being obtuse (intentionally?)
We are yet again going into a sovereign country to go after the latest incarnation of the enemy funded by the west (one way or the other). Everyone will be happy when ISIS is gone but the deep state will simply help finance a new incarnation. Moreover, the intention has always been to overthrow Assad, not to defeat ISIS (they would be long gone by now, otherwise), same as it was to overthrow the government of Libya...after which AQ took over.
Trump was quite clear about his foreign policy (and I supported him and the foreign policy), but if he goes and implements HRC’s neocon foreign policy, he will not win a second term.
I would far rather have Assad and the Russians managing Syria than the neocons. Recall there was NO Syrian refugee crisis until we started supporting the FSA and other “moderate” rebel groups. The neocons and their supporters own the refugee problem and any consequences of that crisis.
As to innocent Syrians, there is a large contingent protected by Assad, by default. Any foreign policy objectives that we have should keep in mind the plight of Syrian Christians. The neocons could care less about them. I do care about them, as a Christian.
Is this real?
I hope not. If so, it is a tragic mistake.
I think the concept that the moderate troops are “defecting” and that the defections are somehow a surprise to us, stretches credulity. We supported AQ in Libya, and transferred weapons to ?? in Syria via Benghazi. These rebels each probably have membership cards to 10 different rebel groups depending on their objectives gives for the day, and who they are collecting funds/weapons from. The fact that we are arming these folks and that no one here has gone to prison over giving weapons to terrorists should be a nightly news scandal, but of course it isn’t.
Just because a myth is repeated without evidence and is believed doesn’t make it so. At any rate, this is going to be a defeat not only for ISIS, but for all those who are defeatist, those who believe only Putin can win, and those who bad mouth the US military and the CIA. Say a prayer for ISIS if you wish. Their demise is imminent.
“Just because a myth is repeated without evidence and is believed doesn’t make it so.”
Condolences on the defeat of your candidate Lindsay Graham. So close! I’m with Trump.
“Say a prayer for ISIS if you wish.”
Whenever someone doesn’t buy into your BS (and it is utter BS), you people are as dishonest as the Berkeley scum.
“Their demise is imminent.”
That would be great, but it isn’t likely to happen. You’ll need roughly the same cast for the next regime change.
Keep cheering for Assad all you’d like. I’ll cheer for the Americans.
Good analysis, but Turkey is going to get hammered and non-cooperation will entangle them. The fued with Germany and threats to rise the world up will not fall on death ears - I know Trump heard Turkey’s threat.
Infantry, to close with and destroy. Prime example is the 82d Airborne Infantry Division. Rangers perform specific missions, and they excel at 18-25 recon’s and return, or the ambush. Of course, Jumpmaster’s lead the way!
>>The Iranian militia is controlling the battle for Mosul, its Shite vs Sunni( Isis).
I’m surprised there isn’t more discussion of this aspect of what is going on, on the thread. Ultimately crushing ISIS would seem to be good for Iran, bad for KSA, forgetting for a moment the bit part players for whom this is life or death, and lots of the latter and other barbarisms with ISIS.
This may be the right thing to do, long term, geopolitically, but it may not. I lean more towards not/why are we there? A pox on all their houses is my attitude, other than the Christians, Yazidis, and maybe a few others.
Happy hunting 75th!
The Art of War (Sun Tzu): surround an enemy on 3 sides, not 4.
There are lots of ways to do it.
The HRC/neocon plan is a disastrous plan. Again.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This is the end game, the partitioning of Iraq. The US goal is to set up safe zones for millions refugees who will not be allowed into America.The Turks will not be allowed to kill the refugees, and neither will the Kurds who want a free state.
If the kurds accept refugee safe zones, they may well have their new state.
The Iranian militias will try to push our troops out of any zone they establish, but US air will send them their mail.
If this grows big ,our country will extend the territory and we will have an additional oil resource.
It’s an old Roman strategy. Surround your enemy as far as it takes to cut them off as a unit, but leave the deserters, faint of heart and civilians a way out.
The desertions demoralize the forces and puts pressure on their leadership structures as smaller units mutiny.
When the toasting is done, commence with the buttering.
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